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Topic: This AMC V8 forum is for AMC-designed and....
Posted By: billd
Subject: This AMC V8 forum is for AMC-designed and....
Date Posted: Oct/16/2014 at 1:53pm
manufactured V8 engines.
It's not about other brands.
If it's not an AMC made V8, since this is an AMC specific forum and not called "all makes and models" -  then it's off-topic, correct?

Otherwise we have all of the world's car people asking questions about their Datsun I6 in the AMC engine areas and those poor members who are looking for info about AMC made engines are lost in the clutter of other stuff.
Like a library or any other place that has organized information - organized to keep it tidy and easier to find, you don't file the Z under A.
It's really quite simple. You'd not ask your aunt about male menopause.... ask your uncle. (unless your aunt used to be your uncle but that's under a different heading I suspect)
Or ask a Netware server administrator about how to configure share rights on Windows Server 2008R2?
(frankly I am trying to rationalize the reason for some questions, and can only come up with a very very short list...... which I won't get into)

If you wish to power YOUR car with something non-AMC, it's YOUR car, but isn't it odd to ask AMC folks about a Ford or Chrysler or whatever?
If you ask AMC folks about other makes you will get a lot different answers than you would from the CHEVY folks who know their engines inside and out. You would, IMO, get second-best answers unless the AMC person is a closet Ford or Chevy fan disguised as an AMC fan to infiltrate... never mind....
It's only logical, eh?
If you want a correct answer about other brands - best to ask those experts, few of them could give good solid info on AMC stuff.

There are times I question the reason for a question - and the timing and placement of same.... especially when there are fantastic resources there as easy to access with more specific information.
I guess that's the old psychology training coming out in me (or the cold drugs wearing off??)

No, nothing mean about it - it's keeping a forum organized and on-task and on-purpose and direction and actually giving SOUND advice so that someone can get GOOD SOLID RELIABLE information on other makes from the experts who know those other makes far better.
Isn't it not being un-mean to suggest a person get good info from the best sources and stick with the purpose of a forum's specific sections?
Or was your mother a nasty mean so-and-so for telling you to not walk on the freshly refinished wood floor with muddy feet?
Or was she just trying to keep the house neat and the wood floors nice for all to enjoy?
Is it mean to suggest that there's far better information out there, or to fake it with second best info just to be answering and making conversation?

I think I'll go ask the Pepsi fellow what flavor brandy goes best with diet coke....... likely to get an interesting response there, eh?
He'd likely suggest blackberry brandy with 7Up. HA


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Posted By: bikerfox
Date Posted: Oct/16/2014 at 1:57pm

uh oh, Bill, you have reopened a can of worms......however, I agree with you.



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1969 Rebel SST (1970-1987)
1968 AMX (2005-2011)
1969 SC/Rambler (2011-2019)
1970 Javelin (2019 to ?)"Jane"


Posted By: jpnjim
Date Posted: Oct/16/2014 at 3:26pm

Thumbs Up 




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71 P-code 4spd Javelin/AMX
some Jeeps and some Fords


Posted By: hoosieramc
Date Posted: Oct/16/2014 at 3:52pm
I agree 100%!

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Posted By: 67RogueX-Code
Date Posted: Oct/16/2014 at 3:54pm
Absolutely! But you forgot the part about showing these trolls to the door.


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67RogueX-Code


Posted By: nda racer
Date Posted: Oct/16/2014 at 5:14pm
You need a sticky at the top of the forum that states all none AMC engine questions will be deleted. Yes you have trolls, then you have the one's who love to feed them.


Posted By: Boris Badanov
Date Posted: Oct/16/2014 at 5:33pm
Adding a Franken Nash chat room for those that feel compelled
to re-power their old Nash Can might be a good thing.
Look at the bright side. A Chebby or Toyota powered Rambler
keeps Another AMC out of the bone yard and on the road.

But we do have Trolls...

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Gremlin Dreams


Posted By: WesternRed
Date Posted: Oct/16/2014 at 5:39pm
My 2 cents worth.
 
I know it might upset the purists, but how about a separate section for brand x-questions and dare I say engine swaps. The people who are offended by this sort of stuff can then avoid this section altogether and not go in there starting arguments. You can't go to a Mopar of GM forum and get specific answers on what is needed to fit one of their engines in to your AMC body. One detailed thread on on all of the things required to install a 350 Chev into their classic AMC might be enough to discourage most people from going down this path and show others who insist on doin it how to do it with the least possibe amount of irreversible damage to the car so that an AMC enthusiast can put it right some time in the future.
 
As an example, Aussie Hornets were only ever offered with 6 cylinder engines and many of them only survive today because they were fitted with brand-x V8's reather than being scrapped when the original inline six gave out.
 
I like my AMCs of pure blood like most of us, but I am also a big fan of late model high tech engines into older cars and would love to see details of what others have done with their AMC cars. We don't seem to get too upset by people running GM transmissions or Ford rear ends in their AMC cars. 
 
I also know there are many knowlegable people on here who have owned and/or worked on many brand-x cars, so a quick question here might avoid the hassle of having to find another forum to sign up too. Let's not have people sign up here and for their first question ask how to fix their Ford Exploder, but maybe a long term forum member can ask a quick question to get him or herself out of a bind.
 
Variety is the spice of life as they say. 


Posted By: purple72Gremlin
Date Posted: Oct/16/2014 at 5:49pm
I agree with billd.       As for other engines other than AMC, Theres forums for those.


Posted By: dltowers
Date Posted: Oct/16/2014 at 6:00pm
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Original Owner, 1974 Javelin:
360ci,2v,727TC. Motorola Multiplex with 8-Track.
G4 Plum exterior with 421Q Black Uganda Interior. Purchased on July 16, 1974 from Hooker AMC, Sherman, TX for $4500.20


Posted By: 70 Donohue 390
Date Posted: Oct/16/2014 at 6:09pm
Originally posted by hoosieramc hoosieramc wrote:

I agree 100%!


Ab-Sa-Toot-Lee Agree

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67 Rogue 290 Convert

70 BBO 390 5 Speed Javelin-under construction


Posted By: Orchuck
Date Posted: Oct/16/2014 at 6:12pm
I am guilty of teasing about the leaf blower as a sbc turbo, However I also helped a member with trans-dap mounts and cross members for an engine swap. There is a difference (I think) about the two posts. the question was engine specific about an off brand turbo application. Not about stuffing an engine in an AMC. I would support a section about off brand stuff if separate from the AMC areas much like the E-b*y section. Can you see a 572 Caddie in a Gremlin. that would be fun to hold on to.


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1969 Javelin SST, BBO, 390, Air, Auto PS/PB, Tilt, GoPac


Posted By: Josh
Date Posted: Oct/16/2014 at 6:33pm

I think this is a great idea. There are plenty of hot rodding boards out there that would be a much better resource for this kind of thing.

 
Just my personal opinion, but I'm not visiting the AMC V8 engine forum to read about how to get rid of my AMC engine, I want to read about how I can get the best out of it.
 
 
 
 


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‘66 Marlin, 327/M10
‘70 Rebel Machine, 390/M12
‘74 Javelin AMX, 401/727
‘80 Concord DL, 258/904
‘98 Cherokee, 4.0/AW4


Posted By: THE MENACE
Date Posted: Oct/16/2014 at 6:55pm
[Quote=billd]If you ask AMC folks about other makes you will get a lot different answers than you would from the CHEVY folks who know their engines inside and out. You would, IMO, get second-best answers unless the AMC person is a closet Ford or Chevy fan disguised as an AMC fan to infiltrate... never mind....
It's only logical, eh?
If you want a correct answer about other brands - best to ask those experts, few of them could give good solid info on AMC stuff [Quote]
 
Some of us now AMC guys used to be Chevy, Dodge, or even Ford guys. Some of us have built, raced, and have tranplanted many Mfg. engines into different Mfg. chassis before we got (or returned) to AMC/Rambler land. So the experience those people can bring to the table is extreemly helpfull to those that want to have an old rambler with an up to date powertrain. (Heck, I put an AMC 290 V8 in a Jeep before Jeep ever used AMC engines). I know it flusters some members here to see non AMC engines going in to AMC chassis, but that is reality and it sometimes make sense so why not help if we can.
  
  
[QUOTE=Boris Badanov]Adding a Franken Nash chat room for those that feel compelled
to re-power their old Nash Can might be a good thing.
Look at the bright side. A Chebby or Toyota powered Rambler
keeps Another AMC out of the bone yard and on the road.
 
I agree 100% with that idea.
I like the idea of the "Franken Nash" chat room where creative people can go to ask questions pertaining to brand X engine transplants into their Rambler without getting a load of crap from people who don't like the idea of that. As mentioned above, keeping a Rambler or AMC out of the bone yard should be a main focus of this forum. If a kid wants to build a street rod and he wants to use a HEMI or SBC in his Grandpas old Rambler that was left to him, more power to him! Why not help him, I don't see what the big deal is! At least he's not turning that Rambler into a demo derby car or towing it to the crusher to get $25.00 scrap money.
 
That's my 2 cents!
Dennis       




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Former Owner of:
The Craig Breedlove "AERO AMX"

Still Owner:
SS/AMX #9 replica (THE BIG MENACE)
70 AMX 416, EFI, Nash 5 speed   
70 Javelin 401, 727 (Wife's)
72 Gremlin Autocross Project.


Posted By: purple72Gremlin
Date Posted: Oct/16/2014 at 7:00pm
Ive had other brand cars.   But on this forum, Im here for AMC


Posted By: Sonic Silver
Date Posted: Oct/16/2014 at 7:38pm
I can't believe that you guys are clamping down now. I was getting ready to ask if anyone knew what all I needed to put a 3 cylinder 1.0 Liter Ford Ecoboost in my SC/360. If that would be a problem, what about the old aluminum Vega engine?


Posted By: fasttony
Date Posted: Oct/16/2014 at 7:53pm
  I think the idea of section dedicated to anything other than pure AMC is a good idea, some members might want info on another type of part or drivetrain swap so those who know and want to help could do so without all the NEGATIVITY. No mater what drivetrain or parts makes up a vehicle it is still registered as the body make. I am a pureist and wouldn't dream of anything but AMC power under the hood of my AMC or brand X power under the hood of my brand X vehicles but the greater part of me is open minded so live and let live. What has this site to lose by adding an everything else section? Maybe the forum name should be changed to "The100%onlyAMCForumallothersbuzzoff.com"
 
 
Tony


Posted By: sweatlock
Date Posted: Oct/16/2014 at 8:22pm
It's called the AMC forum and the V8 section is for AMC V8 engines. If you have to mod the title to "The 100% AMC Forum and nothing else" in order to spell it out to the special people, then you're dealing with the same people who require warnings on plastic bags advising them not to put them on their head and breathe in deeply.

It's not negativity to suggest to someone that they could probably get much better information about Brand X engines on one of the many, many Brand X forums. You wanna talk about Mice, Rats & Elephants (oh my!) and you have other interests than just AMC, then there's nothing stopping you from belonging to more than one forum. It's not fair to those who come here for AMC engine tech to have to sift through all this other stuff.

There's a fine line between saving an old Nash or Rambler from the scrap heap and posting tech on here about Brand X engine swaps and giving the impression that it's approved or actually being recommended. After all, if there're instructions on how to stuff a SBC into a Rambler on an AMC website then it must be okay, 'cuz even the AMC guys see no problem with it, right? It's a slippery slope. How about those tech articles written by knowledgeable members here being on a hot rod forum and then direct people with questions about Brand X engine swaps to those forums? Or is that being too negative? How about someone here writing a tech article about how to stuff a 360 into a Rambler?


Posted By: jeremy0711
Date Posted: Oct/16/2014 at 8:30pm
I am not sure what all the fuss is about. I don't see that many questions regarding brand x in brand y. I am guilty of a ford tranny and a Japanese compressor in mine. I wouldn't put a ls in my car but it sure would make it run better.   I think your OCD is coming out in this.


Posted By: Cholo
Date Posted: Oct/16/2014 at 8:34pm
"Franken Nash" section Thumbs Up Thumbs Up


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Posted By: Boris Badanov
Date Posted: Oct/16/2014 at 8:49pm
billd is 100% correct.
BUT
We are nutz to be fighting with these old driveway Dinosaurs.
We both love em and hate em.
Most of us that have tried to make a horse an inch or more
have run afoul with the many little short-cuts and outright stupid
attempts at making these things cheaper.
 
That is why I think it's a good thing to have a Frankenstein chat room.
 
Last i heard about 45% of all automotive machine shop business is the 350 Chevy.
That does not include all the other Chevys!
 
80% of the business is GM V8s.
That comes from an industry periodical we get here.
 
We AMC addicts are lumped in the non Ford and non Chevy 1% catagory.
 
That's why we love AMC!
 
But the statistics say people are gonna re-power their Ramblers.


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Gremlin Dreams


Posted By: Airdrie AMX
Date Posted: Oct/16/2014 at 9:18pm
I'm not sure what the fuss is all about either. I'm not about to drop a sbc in my javelin but if I was in the position where I had one and needed a motor, it would be nice to ask someone whose done it. There are members here with other brand engines in there cars not to mention other brand rear end swaps, transmissions etc....
The idea of another area to share this other brand stuff is a good one, I hope this is considered.

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72 amx javelin 401 4spd


Posted By: Slate
Date Posted: Oct/16/2014 at 9:54pm
It's BillD's forum, so how he wants to run it, is ultimately up to him.

On the other hand, there are those that prefer to hotrod AMC's with other engines, trans,and the like. Rather than subscribing to the fatalist idea that helping those that are going to put something other than an AMC engine in an AMC, is going to nudge them over the edge into wholesale swaps, it's just a part of the automotive scene. And with or without your help, they are going to do what they are going to do.

Making a section devoted to such things as BB suggests, makes sense.

I, like others Menace mentions, not only came from Chevy, Ford, Olds, Pontiac, BMW, Porsche,Volkswagen, Volvo, etc. roots, I still enjoy those and other marques and don't feel any need to justify helping out someone that has other than purist visions.

I don't see the big deal. Just as I don't place a chip on my shoulder and say,"Hey, pal, knock it off."
Some of the reasons people have cited for still being butt hurt over stuff people say or do, or said and did twenty-five years ago, and you're still holding onto that, well, that says alot, about you. People are going to piss you off every day, I'm being cheritable here, but how you handle it defines you. But, hey, to each their own, just don't expect all others to goosestep to your view.

For those coming here to see AMC only, a frankenrambler section would not affect you because it isn't on your daily turf.

Steve


Posted By: Buzzman72
Date Posted: Oct/16/2014 at 10:59pm
I agree 100% with BillD.

On an AMC V8 forum, the topic should be AMC V8's.

ONLY.

If you want to put a different engine in your car, that's your business.  I've got a '52 International pickup that I'm putting an AMC V8 in.  BUT I simply DO NOT go over to OldIHC.org and ask them how to make my AMC V8 work in an International.  WHY?  Because I'M NOT STUPID.  I know the place to ask questions about an AMC V8 is...well, HERE.

As far as what's involved in a swap...get a tape measure.  Just about everything you want to know about "will it fit?" can be determined by measuring...and measuring...and measuring some more.  What radiator to use?  Measure...notice where your inlet and outlet need to be...and then see what fits your measurements.  It may truly BE "meatball surgery," as they used to say on M*A*S*H, but it ain't rocket science or brain surgery...or even rocket surgery, fer goo'ness sake!

Do we need a forum for Brand-X swaps into AMC's?  Maybe.  But it shouldn't be on the AMC V8 discussion board.  It should be in a special "swap" section.

Look, I own a '52 International; I understand about obsolete parts and such, probably even better than most AMC guys.  [My dad was a HUDSON dealer; if you need a 12V starter for a 308 Hornet motor, as in a '56 take-off, PM me...I think I've still got 2 of 'em around somewhere.] But for me to come here, on the AMC V8 forum,  and ask about putting another make engine in an AMC...that would simply mean either (a) I'm a troll, or (b) I'm not smart enough to understand that this is an AMC V8 forum, even though that's the title of the forum.  So I'm giving the original poster the benefit of the doubt, and figure he's a troll.

I think Bill's on the right track here.  Here's one more vote of confidence for ya.




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Posted By: RamblinMan
Date Posted: Oct/16/2014 at 11:32pm
I don't wade into the fray that seems to pop up every other week regarding the generic brand x engine swap. 

But, having been involved with Oldsmobile, Buick, Chevy trucks, and Ford trucks and multiple forums for each. The reaction in ALL of them were the same when non-native engine swaps popped up almost as regularly as it does here: visceral negativity. SO, this is not unique to this forum. The Olds guys are even more militant than the AMC crowd.


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The Right Reverend of Blessed Acceleration


Posted By: farna
Date Posted: Oct/17/2014 at 7:58am
A swap section would be nice. Then the non-AMC V-8 topics can be moved there. I think that would satisfy most people, from what I've read so far. 

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Frank Swygert


Posted By: rocklandrambler
Date Posted: Oct/17/2014 at 8:34am
I don't have an AMC V-8 but I agree the AMC V8 forum should be for AMC ONLY. However, would it be possible to start a new poll to see if the forum members would like to see a Non-AMC engine swap section?

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Past AMC's
1974 Hornet X (new)
1975 Gremlin X (new)
1964 Classic 660 Cross Country
1965 American 440-H


Posted By: uncljohn
Date Posted: Oct/17/2014 at 8:38am
I guess that means the transmission section should relate only to transmissions AMC used.  An no more 8.8 Ford rear axles.  
And the list goes on, only factory correct interiors?  Howabout no aftermarket radio's they did not come with these cars either.  All of the sub sections should be come purist to satisfy the narrow minded?  
That makes good sense. 
As one who owns currently 5 AMC cars, at least that is what the DMV calls them, except for the as yet to be restored, only one is pure AMC and the other three are all show winners or are drivers or have been featured in one way or another in AMC publications local or national and include modifications to the basic car. 
Installing an aftermarket engine in an AMC car is no different then installing any of the other devices and if information relating to such change is best to be described is best left to those who have successfully done it.  Not some one who rips things out because they do not know how to actually maintain things. 
Sorry, no, 26 years after the company has gone out of business, the logic of re-engining an AMC rolling chassis makes perfectly good sense as it not only keeps the awareness that the existed in the eyes of the hobby community but continues to add depth to the hobby itself.  The antique engines that now represent what these cars were built with in the first place are not only rare in any kind of a shape at all but so costly it is a determent to even spending time and money restoring something, with word restore used some what tongue and cheek when there is no value in the end result when done incomplete and poorly. 
A vehical with the smog equipment ripped out because of the inability to tune the thing to run with an antique engine in it has far less appeal to other hobbyists than the same car with a well installed aftermarket engine. 
The remaining national clubs have room in their make up for re-engined AMC products,  and there is not a reason to assume there is not room in  a forum on the same products for the same things. 
I am not finished building my Hornet street rod with what was once a Mercury Marine engine procured at great discount because it once sat in a boat, but when finally completed will be a modern version of a Station wagon that no longer exists.  And it will sit next to my Mark Donohue Javelin with a cooking version of a 390 and the Ford Mustang Transmission installed in it some where around 1993 or so.  Also next to the 1980 AMX which is pretty much a survivor if you will, and the as yet to be restored Hornet hatch back with a 360 that will replace the 304, an engine that frankly I have no desire to spend money on and any one that wants it is welcome to it. And my Fuel Injected Spirit, built some 15 years ago and driven some almost 50,000 miles.  
And by the way each of these cars will and have passed the local State Smog tests because they have been tuned to do so complete with the appropriate smog equipment. 
And I expect my Mercury Marine powered Hornet with the 700R4 transmission to do so also. 
And if it works out  correctly I have a spare 232 that will go into a street roadster. So if some one thinks I am not qualified to comment on these activities, stuff it. Building an over priced out of date automobile no longer is an attraction in this or any other aspect of this hobby. 




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70 390 5spd Donohue
74 Hornet In restoration
76 Hornet, 5.7L Mercury Marine Power
80 Fuel Injected I6 Spirit
74 232 I-6, 4bbl, 270HL Isky Cam


Posted By: gtoman_us
Date Posted: Oct/17/2014 at 9:12am
Locking down the Topic was intended as information as to the renaming and the purpose of the section going forward.



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1965 GTO
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