Wheel options AMC Rebel
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Topic: Wheel options AMC Rebel
Posted By: flat3ric
Subject: Wheel options AMC Rebel
Date Posted: Jun/07/2021 at 7:25am
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Hello, i am searching for an option list out of 69 for my rebel. I want to put on a set of magnum 500 wheels and i need the proof that this was a option for the rebel. Can anyone of you help me regarding that? Thanks! Regards eric
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Posted By: ramblinrev
Date Posted: Jun/07/2021 at 4:25pm
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Eric, Magnum 500 wheels were not an option on a '69 Rebel, but would be an appropriate addition to your car! You might need wheel spacers....I'm not sure. ------------- 74 Hornet Hatchback X twins (since 1977) 62 American Convertible (still worth the $50 I spent in 1973!) AMCRC #513, AMO #384 70 AMX 360 4-speed (since 1981) |
Posted By: 401MATCOUPE
Date Posted: Jun/07/2021 at 6:53pm
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I think the problem is in many European countries, they do not allow non-factory wheels.....so he may have to show proof of availability on that specific AMC model to authorities to get proper MOT paperwork. Many problems like this exist when exporting US built cars to Europe. Wheel spacers are a giant NO NO in Europe!!!!! ------------- Ross K. Peterson 68X,GoPac,343,AT,52A(1stCar) 68X,GoPac,390,4sp,52A 69X,GoPac,390,4sp,64A 70X,GoPac,390,4sp,87A,8 70X,GoPac,390,4sp,BBO,8 70 Jav SST,390,AT,BSO 74MatX,401,AT,Prototype 74MatX,401,AT |
Posted By: flat3ric
Date Posted: Jun/07/2021 at 11:07pm
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Hi thanks for the reply. Exactely thats‘s the topic. I know that those wheels were at least available for the AMX in this year. Wasn‘t it possible to order them as well to the rebel when you have choosen this car? Or was there a special model eg like the raider? https://www.hemmings.com/stories/article/amcs-northeast-rebellion-1969-amc-rebel-raider#comments - https://www.hemmings.com/stories/article/amcs-northeast-rebellion-1969-amc-rebel-raider#comments Cheers eric
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Posted By: ramblinrev
Date Posted: Jun/08/2021 at 7:21am
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No, you could not order the Magnum 500's on a Rebel. ------------- 74 Hornet Hatchback X twins (since 1977) 62 American Convertible (still worth the $50 I spent in 1973!) AMCRC #513, AMO #384 70 AMX 360 4-speed (since 1981) |
Posted By: Trader
Date Posted: Jun/08/2021 at 7:59am
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Reading through this: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/GA/TXT/?uri=CELEX:42006X1227%2808%29R%2801%29" rel="nofollow - https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/GA/TXT/?uri=CELEX:42006X1227(08)R(01) A wheel adapter would be acceptable if it was approved for use, these you can purchase in the EU that are certified. I don't believe it would be too hard to convince the regulator's that AMC as a corporate manufacturer does not exist any more and does not supply rims. For a rim, probably best bought in the EU, these should be bolt on without adapters: https://www.moparshop.com/en/Online-Store/Wheels-Tires/6703/Wheel-Wheel-Vintiques-Magnum-500-Steel-14-x-8-5-x-4.50-Bolt-Circle-4.50-Backspacing" rel="nofollow - https://www.moparshop.com/en/Online-Store/Wheels-Tires/6703/Wheel-Wheel-Vintiques-Magnum-500-Steel-14-x-8-5-x-4.50-Bolt-Circle-4.50-Backspacing The argument could also be made that Chrysler bought AMC and these are "factory replacements". If you bought a 69 Rebel in 1969, the AMC Dealer would certainly put on Magnum 500 rims, even if the were not a factory option. Just going through the parts book. Is it correct that the only "Styled Wheel" listed are for the Scrambler and Machine? I don't see the Magnum 500 AMC part number even though there were thousands of AMX's and Javelin's that came with them 68+. Are these all Dealer optioned or is the number obscured by the description? Found the answer to my question. Motor Wheel Corp made all Magnum 500 wheels for Ford, Chrysler, GM and AMC. They did not have a number on the rim. In 1970 they started stamping a date code on the rim. So there is no AMC part number for these. They are 14"*6" and other then GM's different bolt pattern, only the center caps and trim rings had factory part numbers.
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Posted By: flat3ric
Date Posted: Jun/08/2021 at 3:41pm
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Hi there, thanks for these prompt and good replys! I think that there are pretty good attemps of arguments inside that can help me regarding this issue. I hope receiving the wheels at the end of the week so that i can check if they fit (hopefully  ).And then i will have to sort my thoughts and lay a strategy on how to convince the regulator. Why do you think that i would need adapters for the rims? I found a brochure in that the option for mag style wheels was mentioned for the AMX and it is also mentioned here https://www.hagerty.com/media/market-trends/mag-wheel-field-guide/ - https://www.hagerty.com/media/market-trends/mag-wheel-field-guide/. So lets see what comes out. I will let you know. But if there are other hints or argumentation proposals that can help me make my rebel a bit sportier please don‘t hesitate to come up with! Thanks to you all! Great forum  Eric
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Posted By: flat3ric
Date Posted: Jun/08/2021 at 3:52pm
| Here is the mentioned brochure where the mag option is mentioned (for the AMX) https://www.xr793.com/wp-/uploads/2018/01/1969-AMC-Full-Line.pdf - https://www.xr793.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/1969-AMC-Full-Line.pdf |
Posted By: Trader
Date Posted: Jun/08/2021 at 4:05pm
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The wheel adapter was mentioned as they look like they could be used if you needed to "adapt" a UK certified wheel. Those wheels should not need adapters. How about an article with some pictures: https://www.hemmings.com/stories/article/amcs-northeast-rebellion-1969-amc-rebel-raider" rel="nofollow - https://www.hemmings.com/stories/article/amcs-northeast-rebellion-1969-amc-rebel-raider Pretty obvious that there were new rebels that came from dealers with Magnum 500 rims. |
Posted By: flat3ric
Date Posted: Jun/08/2021 at 4:29pm
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Yeah, i read this article as well, but t‘s mentioned following: „ Over the past 16 years, the Raider has been expertly preserved and remains original except for a few minor upgrades. "We put period-correct Magnum 500 wheels on it, along with white-letter radials," Joe says, "as it came with wheel covers and white-wall tires, and we just felt it looked better this way. And we added chrome NOS AMC rocker covers to replace the deteriorating painted originals." But i can try it : )
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Posted By: Trader
Date Posted: Jun/08/2021 at 5:00pm
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Well if they are going to be picky, try just this article: https://www.hemmings.com/stories/article/rolling-sculpture" rel="nofollow - https://www.hemmings.com/stories/article/rolling-sculpture
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Posted By: ramblinrev
Date Posted: Jun/08/2021 at 9:08pm
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I mentioned the spacer, not adapter, because I think the Magnum 500 MAY not bolt flat against your brake drum (assuming you have 4-wheel drum brakes). I know they would not bolt up to my '74 Hornet 9" front brake drums without a spacer (and they were a factory option for my car.) So check carefully. Stock brake drums have a balance weight, and that may be the fitment issue. Good luck. ------------- 74 Hornet Hatchback X twins (since 1977) 62 American Convertible (still worth the $50 I spent in 1973!) AMCRC #513, AMO #384 70 AMX 360 4-speed (since 1981) |
Posted By: flat3ric
Date Posted: Jun/08/2021 at 11:40pm
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Hi ramblinrev, Thanks for this hint withh the spacer. In case i would need it, can you recommend a source where i can buy this spacer or a manufacurer/articlenumber? Hi trader, Also big thanks to you regarding the mag500 article. I guess that this will help! I will let you know! Have a good day! Eric
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Posted By: ambassador401
Date Posted: Jun/09/2021 at 2:28am
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Amc used 1/4" factory spacers in the front with mag wheels (magnum 500) on the cars with disc brakes ------------- 68 American 68 Rebel 70 Javelin 71 Ambassador 73 Gremlin A bunch of Jeeps |
Posted By: Trader
Date Posted: Jun/09/2021 at 7:15am
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The spacers were also on "some" drum brake Javelin's and AMX's. Don't believe they were required if putting the Magnum 500 rims on other models. Here is a thread with pictures of the spacers and spindles in question. Using the thicker spindle may be a better option if trying to get past an inspection as these spacers did not have part numbers: https://theamcforum.com/forum/amx-spindle-spacers_topic49817_page1.html" rel="nofollow - https://theamcforum.com/forum/amx-spindle-spacers_topic49817_page1.html I know I have used 4 heavy washers instead of the "unobtanium" spacer on the thinner spindles. From a mechanical point of view the washers are just as good of solution as there is only the contact area of the 4 spindle mount points. The rest of the spacer material just adds weight.
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Posted By: flat3ric
Date Posted: Jun/17/2021 at 4:42pm
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Finally i got the „new“ mag500. It seems so far ok, but on the front wheel I guess the distance to the tie rods 3-5 mm. I guess i would,need at least spacer at the front. Can anyone of you advice? Because the wheels look awesome |
Posted By: Trader
Date Posted: Jun/17/2021 at 4:58pm
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The image on page 2 of my previous post shows what AMC did to get extra room for the Magnum 500 wheels (believe this was for disk brakes also). Later they made a thicker wheel spindle. If you take the four 7/16" bolts out that hold the spindle on and use thick washers between the spindle 10.004-1 and it's mount 10.013, you get extra room for the rims.  |
Posted By: flat3ric
Date Posted: Jun/17/2021 at 11:44pm
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H there, Thanks. I will check that! Regards eric
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Posted By: flat3ric
Date Posted: Jun/22/2021 at 2:09pm
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Hi Trader, I checked your proposal with a friend of mine and we came to the conclusion, that this is not allowed here in Germany. So I have to search for another solution. Now I also learned that its not allowed to mount alloy wheel spacers on steel wheels like the mags : ( I searched the www for wheel spacers in steel in 5x4,5" with a 2,75" (70mm) center bore. Does perhaps anyone of you have such wheel spacers in steel in the app. 0,39" thickness? There was mentioned from Ambassador401 that "AMC used 1/4" factory spacers in the front with mag wheels". Does anyone know where to buy those? I hope that I will find a way to ride these wheels on my rebel because they look really awesome on it! Thanks for any hints/offers from you to finalize my project : ) Have a good day! Regards Eric
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Posted By: Trader
Date Posted: Jun/22/2021 at 3:51pm
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Hard to find anything over 1/8" in steel. Don't know your situation for auto wreckers, but a pair of slip on rotors for a Ford from something in the 80's with the outside cut off would likely work. AMC did not give these parts identification numbers so even a machine shop could fabricate exactly what you want. These people will make what you want: https://www.uswheeladapters.com/5-lug-wheel-spacers-uswa/" rel="nofollow - https://www.uswheeladapters.com/5-lug-wheel-spacers-uswa/
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