T/S socket grease?
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Topic: T/S socket grease?
Posted By: xspiriment
Subject: T/S socket grease?
Date Posted: Nov/27/2020 at 8:12am
| As i go through some wiring sockets i have found that there is a dried up grease substance packed in and around the wires when you open up the socket. Is this generally used in the late 70's cars, looks to be white lithium. Has any one cleaned and re packed with the correct grease what ever it may be? Have two spirits and both have this 40 year old dried up grease. Thanks Paul |
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Posted By: 6PakBee
Date Posted: Nov/27/2020 at 8:27am
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http://www.amazon.com/Permatex-22058-Dielectric-Tune-Up-Grease/dp/B000AL8VD2" rel="nofollow - http://www.amazon.com/Permatex-22058-Dielectric-Tune-Up-Grease/dp/B000AL8VD2" rel="nofollow - https://www.amazon.com/Permatex-22058-Dielectric-Tune-Up-Grease/dp/B000AL8VD2 ------------- Roger Gazur 1969 'B' Scheme SC/Rambler 1970 RWB 4-spd Machine 1970 Sonic Silver auto AMX All project cars. Forum Cockroach |
Posted By: xspiriment
Date Posted: Nov/27/2020 at 9:42am
| i know all about dielectric grease, been using is for 30+ years. This dried stuff is not where the bulb goes into the socket its inside the socket itself. You have to open up the socket to clean the cavity of the dried substance. would like to replace it with equivalent packing grease unless your saying substitute with dielectric grease. I have never seen a white dielectric grease only clear. Any other comments about this. Thanks |
Posted By: 6PakBee
Date Posted: Nov/27/2020 at 10:25am
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I haven't seen the old-school white grease that was used to seal electrical connections on anything newer than about 1985. I am NOT saying that is a hard date, just what I've seen. Unless I'm mistaken the dielectric grease is the current material to use. I use it on bulb sockets, wiring harness connectors, anywhere there is a electrical slip joint of some kind that I want to waterproof and have some corrosion resistance. I understand what you are saying about the white grease being in the socket below the contact disc but personally I would use the dielectric grease there also. ------------- Roger Gazur 1969 'B' Scheme SC/Rambler 1970 RWB 4-spd Machine 1970 Sonic Silver auto AMX All project cars. Forum Cockroach |
Posted By: Trader
Date Posted: Nov/28/2020 at 8:07am
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My Grandfather and Dad used Lubriplate. Besides both working in automotive garages, my Grandfather was later working for GE and Father for Bell Canada. They continued to use a Lubriplate spray product until they passed away. My Grandfather held patents for several GE designed switches and sockets, so likely knew what he was doing. It was white grease. Lubriplate lists this product: "DS-ES Electric Switch Lubricant: Developed for the lubrication of electrical switch contacts. Used extensively in the automotive industry
for switches, sockets, and wiring harness connectors. Excellent oxidation resistance and compatibility with metal, plastic and rubber. Product Part
No. L0137-."
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Posted By: Heavy 488
Date Posted: Nov/28/2020 at 9:05am
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As with anything else. The old materials become obsolete. Manufacturer's used what was available at that time. Just because it was a good choice at that time doesn't mean its still the best choice.
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Posted By: Trader
Date Posted: Nov/28/2020 at 4:16pm
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You obviously have extensive experience with this Heavy. Please feel free to contact the company and tell them their product is crap: All the information you need is on these pages: https://www.aps.anl.gov/sites/default/files/Lubriplate%20Data%20Sheet1%20%28002%29_0.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://www.aps.anl.gov/sites/default/files/Lubriplate%20Data%20Sheet1%20%28002%29_0.pdf I was just trying to inform people what the old factory white grease they see is.
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Posted By: 6PakBee
Date Posted: Nov/28/2020 at 4:39pm
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We may have an apples and oranges situation here. If I was lubricating an electrical switch, I'd probably go with the Lubriplate. If I was simply trying to get corrosion protection, I'd go with the dielectric grease. But that's simply my opinion, not trying to disparage any option. ------------- Roger Gazur 1969 'B' Scheme SC/Rambler 1970 RWB 4-spd Machine 1970 Sonic Silver auto AMX All project cars. Forum Cockroach |
Posted By: Heavy 488
Date Posted: Nov/28/2020 at 4:48pm
Does 40 years in the automotive electronics manufacturing supply chain count? Probably not
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Trader wrote:Posted By: Trader
Date Posted: Nov/28/2020 at 6:09pm
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40 years of experience is good by me. Please explain why the Lubriplate product is inferior. I'd certainly like to know the in's and outs of better products and why. Please elaborate. 6PakBee, you have a similar opinion. The question is the same, why? I've used the Lubriplate here in the salt belt for all my life and it's always been good for me. If there's a better product I'd use it. |
Posted By: 6PakBee
Date Posted: Nov/30/2020 at 4:48pm
Sure, I'm basing my opinion on what I've see. What I've seen eventually happen with the white grease (I am assuming that it is the Lubriplate product or an equivalent) is that it hardens and becomes a semi-solid rather than a paste. I can't see how long term you are going to maintain corrosion protection with that. The silicone grease on the other hand (at least in the 10+ years I've been using it) is as 'greasy' now as it was when I put it in the connectors. Your comment about the Lubriplate being a switch contact lubricant is well taken but that is a bit different than an anti-corrosion product. ------------- Roger Gazur 1969 'B' Scheme SC/Rambler 1970 RWB 4-spd Machine 1970 Sonic Silver auto AMX All project cars. Forum Cockroach |
Posted By: Trader
Date Posted: Nov/30/2020 at 7:06pm
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Thanks for the incites. The Lubriplate is an anti oxidation compound which also can be stated as anti corrosion. Ya, the real old stuff did dry out over time, the latest seems better - for now. I'll pick up some of the silicone and try it out. Is the a product you recommend? I have GE silicone grease, but it does not state on the container that it is specific for electrical use.
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Posted By: tomj
Date Posted: Nov/30/2020 at 11:25pm
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New chemicals are almost universally better than old chemistry. I can't think of a single chemical from the 1960's I'd prefer over modern ones. Dielectric greases are grease with low film strength, allows for metal to metal contact. Lubricants have high film strength for the exact opposite reason (metal to metal is destruction). ------------- 1960 Rambler Super two-door wagon, OHV auto 1961 Roadster American, 195.6 OHV, T5 http://www.ramblerLore.com |
Posted By: 6PakBee
Date Posted: Dec/01/2020 at 9:02am
This is what I've been using. I'm not saying it's the best or only choice, but it's what I've been using. http://www.amazon.com/Permatex-22058-Dielectric-Tune-Up-Grease/dp/B000AL8VD2" rel="nofollow - https://www.amazon.com/Permatex-22058-Dielectric-Tune-Up-Grease/dp/B000AL8VD2 I know this is a bit off topic, but I always used the traditional Lubriplate 105 as an assembly lube. I had one motor I assembled sit for about a year before I got it installed. Pulled the valve covers to check for oil when I pre-oiled the motor (Mopar BB) and the 105 around the pushrod ends and the rocker arm tips had hardened to the semi-solid state. Since then I've used a mix of ATF and STP as an assembly lube. I'm open to suggestions as that mix seems to be effective but it's messy, messy, messy.
------------- Roger Gazur 1969 'B' Scheme SC/Rambler 1970 RWB 4-spd Machine 1970 Sonic Silver auto AMX All project cars. Forum Cockroach |
Posted By: Steve_P
Date Posted: Dec/01/2020 at 9:52am
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This is what I use. And a price drop. Silicone has been the standard for decades for caliper pins and electrical connectors- get into the 21st century and put down the lubriplate. Edit- silicone paste can also be used on weatherseals. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B005RNEH5O/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1" rel="nofollow - https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B005RNEH5O/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Assembly lube- I use a moly paste. This is the last brand I bought. Doesnt drip off like the red Permatex product. https://smile.amazon.com/Sta-Lube-SL3331-Extreme-Pressure-Assembly/dp/B000M8RYUE/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=engine+assembly+lube&qid=1606837840&s=automotive&sr=1-4" rel="nofollow - https://smile.amazon.com/Sta-Lube-SL3331-Extreme-Pressure-Assembly/dp/B000M8RYUE/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=engine+assembly+lube&qid=1606837840&s=automotive&sr=1-4 |
Posted By: xspiriment
Date Posted: Dec/02/2020 at 8:47am
| I guess since i brought this situation up i need to reply with thanks for showing me many new options. I like the 3M 08946 silicone paste. I need to clean out about 20 of these sockets and hope the old plastic housing don't crack and break. Interesting how much things have change but new materials are better. Again thanks for all the input. |
Posted By: greenhue
Date Posted: Dec/02/2020 at 1:44pm
| Back when I worked at the dealership, white grease did everything from lubing door hinges to the back of light bulbs when they were metal. And the only product that has kept its good reputation is Marvel mystery oil. It cleans fuel lines, quiets lifters and smells nice... |
Posted By: First_Gear
Date Posted: Dec/02/2020 at 4:18pm
| And to throw another opinion in the mix I use de-oxit on all my switches and contacts. Seems to work great. You can spray it into the headlight switches too. Course' in the presence of heavy moisture the dielectric grease might be the ticket to seal out the moisture. |
Posted By: tomj
Date Posted: Dec/02/2020 at 11:15pm
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Yeah, chemistry is a branch of physics, which has been undergoing more or less revolution ongoing for 100 years, and in the last 25, nearly vertical gains in knowledge. That knowledge plus computer-based analysis and measurement, and closed-loop process control, has revolutionized materials science. There's materials today that if you showed up with them in 1970, people would think you're from outer space. About 10 years ago I started tossing all my old chemicals, and try to each year see what the new stuff is. Permatex's new stuff, though it's all just 'trickle down' from the auto industry, is so much better than stuff from even 10 years ago it's not funny. Right Stuff, assemble engines with only dimensional gaskets (head, oil pump). Ultra Grey and Ultra Black, use them like those old silicones but they are not, at all, they're completely different. I use 600 degree F flexible sealers on exhaust manifolds. Lubricants too, just unbelievably better, more consistent. De-oxit is pretty good stuff. Every radio station I ever worked in used it (back when those required a room; now it's a shared virtual server and a nice DAC at the transmitter). ------------- 1960 Rambler Super two-door wagon, OHV auto 1961 Roadster American, 195.6 OHV, T5 http://www.ramblerLore.com |