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BDCVG
AMC Addicted Joined: Dec/19/2007 Location: Endless Mtns. Status: Offline Points: 993 |
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You can remove the cover and see if the thrust button has sheared.
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1970 AMX 390 5 spd full Control Freaks front and rear suspension
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1970390amx
AMC Addicted Joined: Jul/11/2008 Location: colorado Status: Offline Points: 3314 |
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If you look down the axle tube you should be able to see this on a model 20 with a early twin grip. The shinny spot is the thrust block in place. The second picture is the thrust block out of the carrier.
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1970 390 4speed Bittersweet shadow mask AMX
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1970390amx
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The problem stated with turning one wheel with one axle out can be seen in the first picture posted. If you look close there are two sets of splines, they must aline with each other. If the twin grip is at all worn out they can move out of place.
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1970 390 4speed Bittersweet shadow mask AMX
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knightflight
AMC Nut Joined: Jan/30/2014 Location: Nor. Calif. Status: Offline Points: 433 |
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Ok, so adding up everyone's comments, this is what I am coming up with.. First off, I do not see any thrust block or pin in the exploded view in the TSM for the twin grip, only for the std rear end, But I do see what you mean by them in the two photos. Also, I think your last comment is correct. I think the two sets of splines are not aligned. I think that is what the TSM is referring to on the twin grip when they say do not pull one axle out and move the other or they won't go back in. You say the parts could have wear resulting in this, but the TSM seems to indicate it will happen with new parts.
So, can I get through the tube with a long drift and line the splines up, or do I remove it all from the carrier and have to line them up? And, do the two blocks, as you call them in the last photo need to be removed regardless? It looks like they tap together and are held together with that center roll pin? I'm figuring that is what Ross was referring to in the first reply. I did not see any pieces in the drain bucket, but I will look again to be sure. I still have it on the floor. Thanks guys very much! |
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'68 Rebel SST coupe. (X2) '69 SC/Rambler (#7 on registry) '69 Javelin SST Go-Pak 390-4 speed '70 Rebel Machine 4spd '72 Javelin AMX 360 ram-air |
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1970390amx
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If you are running factory axles you need the thrust block. If the clutches in the twin grip are in good shape the splines would be difficult to get to a point that they are not aligned. If they do not line up you should be able to put the trans in park- in gear and have one person spin the side with an axle in place while you try to install to other axle. Will be difficult because you need to over come the force of the clutches holding things. As the tire is turned you will need to have the axle in far enough to engauge the first set of splines and hold them from spinning. The thrust block has to be in place though.
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1970 390 4speed Bittersweet shadow mask AMX
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BDCVG
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To align the splines for axle install, push them both as far as they will go then have a helper hold a pry bar against 2 lug studs while You do the same on the other axle and You turn a Your axle a little then see if it goes in fully. You may have to do it a few times but sooner or later it will seat. Repeat on other side. That last bit is the axle splines hitting clutch plates. They wont turn when You rotate the axle but the spider gears will eventually they will line up. You won't have to turn but maybe 1/8"
Edited by BDCVG - Jul/27/2020 at 8:44am |
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1970 AMX 390 5 spd full Control Freaks front and rear suspension
2014 E63 AMG-S wagon 1965 Austin-Healey 3000 MK III |
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knightflight
AMC Nut Joined: Jan/30/2014 Location: Nor. Calif. Status: Offline Points: 433 |
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Ok, I looked into the axle tube today. I saw the thrust block there in place, and I saw the axle splines in the gear and clutches. As far as I could tell, all the splines looked to be lined up exact. I fight about 15 minutes every day on this trying to put it in.
SO, I guess my next step is to try the tricks you guys mentioned. I guess if I can't get them in, the carrier comes out. I must say, I'm a bit disappointed over this design. I think it's the first thing I have come across on an AMC that I flat out don't like at all...aarg! |
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'68 Rebel SST coupe. (X2) '69 SC/Rambler (#7 on registry) '69 Javelin SST Go-Pak 390-4 speed '70 Rebel Machine 4spd '72 Javelin AMX 360 ram-air |
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There will be more......especially if you buy a 70 amx
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they call me Capt RETIRED!
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1970390amx
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So you stated you changed the outer seals. So you have the hubs off and have just an axle to work with I would assume. Did you change the inner seal also? If so are you sure it is driven in to the correct depth? If you try to install the axle into the housing with no outer race does it still not go in?
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1970 390 4speed Bittersweet shadow mask AMX
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knightflight
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Actually, I have only done the left side, the pass side is still together. I was just going to go one side at a time, I haven't made it to the other side yet!
The inner seal is new, but it is in correctly. When I try to install the axle and push, it is definitely a heavy thud as I try to get in in. It is not a seal problem, you can hear and feel it coming from in the center section. It is shy about 1/2 inch or more from going in. |
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'68 Rebel SST coupe. (X2) '69 SC/Rambler (#7 on registry) '69 Javelin SST Go-Pak 390-4 speed '70 Rebel Machine 4spd '72 Javelin AMX 360 ram-air |
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