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JohnRyd
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OK, it’s confusing, but I’ll give it a try. Forgive me if I’m preaching to the choir. I am limiting this discussion to the 1968 to 1970 AMX and Javelin. Some of these parts fit other 2 headlamp cars earlier than 1968 and even up until 1978. The book shows 2 per car and no separate listings for right or left, meaning these interchange RIGHT or LEFT. What makes it confusing is AMC apparently had two different vendors supply these parts (HALL and GREAT LAKES). This information is from the 1967-72 parts book.
The parts book references notes 3-21 and 3-22. This is what they say: Note 3.21: Used when the headlamp assembly is stamped Hall lamp or “HL” or “CML” Note 3.22: Used when the headlamp assembly is stamped “GLA”
The headlamp buckets consist of the following: Group 3.248-1: BODY, Headlamp (This attaches to the CAR) This is the ONLY part that had different part numbers for 1968 and 1969-70 1968: HALL: 3206747; GREAT LAKES: 4485891 1969-70: HALL: 4486164; GREAT LAKES: 4486163
Group 3.265: SHELL ASSEMBLY, Headlamp (This attaches to the BODY and holds the headlamp bulb) This part is the same for 1968-70 1968-70: HALL: 3206749; GREAT LAKES: 4485893
Group 3.275-1: RING, Headlamp Bulb Retaining (This attaches to the SHELL and holds the bulb in place) The Hall ring won’t correctly fit the Great Lakes ring and vice-versa. Ask me how I know. This part is the same for 1968-70 1968-70: HALL: 3205361; GREAT LAKES: 4485892
Group 3.275-2: SCREW, Headlamp Bulb Retaining Ring 1968-70: HALL: 3200748; GREAT LAKES: 3202761
Group 3.268: SCREW, Headlamp adjusting (This is used to adjust the headlamp aim) 1968-70: 3118667
Group 3.272: SPRING (this links the BODY and SHELL) This part is the same for 1968-70 1968-70: HALL: 3205364; GREAT LAKES: 3202756
I need to dig into my parts and see if I have any of these (other than what’s on the car) for pictures, but can’t do that now.
I’m not a “die hard restoration guy” nor a professional mechanic nor a former AMC dealer employee but I’m a die hard AMC fan and like to keep things reasonably original, and sometimes to the point of being a bit anal about it.
To quote comedian Dayton Allen (late 1950’s Steve Allen Show) in one of his skits where he pretended to be a surgeon: “Although I never went to a real doctor school, I honestly hung around an actual drug store a lot”
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Adolph John Rydzewski
Newark, Delaware 1972 Ambassador 4dr Brougham, 360/2BBL/727 purchased new 1968 AMX 390/Auto 1957 Hudson Hollywood 327/Auto 1975 Cadillac Eldorado 1992 Lumina Z34 5 speed |
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NTX Javelin
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wow, thanks so much for the parts break down.
this really helps a bunch. excellent information.
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Cornelius Rambler
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THANKS JonRyd!
So, it IS possible to have one side different from the other. Now I need to determine what assembly the only retaining ring I have fits and then go in search of the correct version I need to complete the assembly without the ring. Well, I'm that much closer!
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JohnRyd
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The retaining ring on the left is the HALL; the one on the right is the GREAT LAKES (off my '68 AMX).
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Adolph John Rydzewski
Newark, Delaware 1972 Ambassador 4dr Brougham, 360/2BBL/727 purchased new 1968 AMX 390/Auto 1957 Hudson Hollywood 327/Auto 1975 Cadillac Eldorado 1992 Lumina Z34 5 speed |
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Cornelius Rambler
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Kudos again John. That's a great help. I'll figure out what I have and what I need tomorrow!
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JohnRyd
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I've had the opportunity to remove one of the headlamp buckets from my "68 AMX and forage through my spare parts stash to document the differences between the HALL and GREAT LAKES headlamp buckets.
Apparently AMC had two vendors of headlamp buckets, HALL and GREAT LAKES. The attached information applies to the 1968 to 1970 AMX & Javelin. The complete assembly interchanges right and left, however the individual parts DO NOT interchange between vendors, except for the adusting screw. 1968-70 AMX & Javelin Headlamp Bucket Info
Right & Left are interchangeable. The HALL BODY is stamped Hall Lamp or “HL” or “CML” The GREAT LAKES BODY is stamped “GLA” The shell, ring, spring and screws do not have vendor marks
Group 3.248-1 BODY, Headlamp This part attaches to the car with four sheetmetal screws. 1968: HALL: 3206747 GREAT LAKES: 4485891 1969-70: HALL: 4486164 GREAT LAKES: 4486163
Group 3.265 SHELL ASSEMBLY, Headlamp This part holds the headlamp bulb and attaches to the headlamp body with adjusting screws and a spring. This part is the same for 1968-70 1968-70: HALL: 3206749 GREAT LAKES: 4485893
Group 3.275 RING, Headlamp bulb retainer This part holds the bulb in the shell and attaches to the shell with three fillister head screws This part is the same for 1968-70 1968-70: HALL: 3205361 GREAT LAKES: 4485892
Group 3.275-2: SCREW, Headlamp bulb retainer This part is the same for 1968-70 1968-70: HALL: 3200748 GREAT LAKES: 3202761
Group 3.268 SCREW, Headlamp adjusting This part is the same for 1968-70 and both vendors 1968-70: HALL & GREAT LAKES: 3118667
Group 3.272 SPRING This part is the same for 1968-70 1968-70: HALL: 3205364 GREAT LAKES: 3202756 |
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Adolph John Rydzewski
Newark, Delaware 1972 Ambassador 4dr Brougham, 360/2BBL/727 purchased new 1968 AMX 390/Auto 1957 Hudson Hollywood 327/Auto 1975 Cadillac Eldorado 1992 Lumina Z34 5 speed |
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