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    Posted: May/05/2022 at 11:31am
Anybody have a link to a reputable vendor?  My pump is working fine but howling. If the flange to flange height is correct, are they the correct part, or are there other differences?  This a cast iron block.
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There are several different water pumps for that era of 196, none are easy to find. You can send yours to a rebuilder. It's affordable, doesn't take long, and might be simplest. There's one in the Detroit area we have highlighted before. You can try to Google it, or someone here will recall the name.
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Arthur Gould Rebulders can probably rebuild it better than new.  Google it.  Joe
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Yeah, I have seen the variety of pumps for these...is there any real difference other than the flange to flange height?  There has been some creative work done on this car before I got it so I'm not even positive this one is "correct"...the pulleys line up, outlets seem to make sense and it pumps water, is there anything else to look out for?  
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I seem to remember that heater hose outlets may be somewhat different. I must have had to replace one at some time. 
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I'm more curious about the impeller size, depth, etc and bolt locations.  I can verify/change hose orientations easily enough, but if its mechanically different and not flowing right for whatever reason it would be hard to tell.
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There are a few variations. These are the ones I know about...

There is a version for the ALUMINUM 195.6 ohv that shows up (used to anyway) because no one buys the because there are few of that difficult engine left on the road. It's completely incompatible. The bolt pattern is visibly different , offhand I forget how, I think more bolts? 6 not 5?

There's a short one (shaft) and a taller. Maybe more dunno. 

1965, and possibly 1964, have an additional inlet port in the body pointing straight up.  On those engines it couples to the head thermo pod (where it solves a major engineering weakness). Some/many replacement pumps have this port because it can simply be plugged for earlier engines. It's the "universal" (sic) replacement pump. 

Pumps without the top port are used on up through 63 (64?)

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All the 195.6 pumps for cast iron engines will physically bolt up, OHV or flat-head. The only differences are the shaft length and heater hose outlet location. Easy enough to fix the heater outlet with some hardware store fittings or just swapping the nipples. Also, as TomJ mentioned, some have the plug on top. I believe they are 65 only, but a few may have crept onto late production 64 models, or it could have been a late-year change that won't show up in the TSMs and probably not the parts books. Easy to drill and tap the pump for that even when assembled, just be careful with the drilling!
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