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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Japa109 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/21/2022 at 11:10pm
it sounds like you should do the test.  the whole timing set goes for $180 now so i am slow to pull the trigger on a full set.  Most 196 engines we put together will never see another 40k miles on them, however, its so nice to have them running sweetly I will replace gears if its much more than 1/2 a tooth

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mtrosclair Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/22/2022 at 7:33am
Fair point, now I have a project for this afternoon.

After re-reading the procedure, my engine is basically at the short block stage of disassembly, would this procedure still work?



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Originally a 196, this one has a 199 from a 69 American.
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Timing cover off?  Use method one.  Timing cover on?  Use method two

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Do you guys have a source for timing chains? Other than Kanter? Whom I do not trust to ship quality parts.  On the last 10 years I've got a lot of crap from them. Bad valve springs (machinist verified wrong), back resurfaced tappets) .015 and all hardness removed), ... and the new set in my current engine I suspect is sloppy, with 5000 miles on it. 

I put miles on my engines. The roadster has 50,000 HARD miles on it. But you're right most don't.  And I suspect Kanters banks on that. 
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I was mainly curious if the lack of valve train tension would affect the accuracy.  

As an fyi if you go into O’reily auto parts they can order the timing gears and chains.  The chains are about $15 and the gears are about $30-$35.  They have to be ordered so you will pay shipping which varies between $8-15 depending how fast you want them. 
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O'Reilly's?! Wow lol. Maybe I forgot to ask there! Dumb of me!

Yes, timing chain slop is often the cause of idle jitter you just can't tune out. Swapped the chain on my 68s 199, no other change, the idle became drop dead smooth. 
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 I remember back in 1995 getting a timing chain (I believe full set) at the now defunct Trac Auto for all of $19.99. I was shocked they had it in stock because even then the engine was 30 years past its last factory build. I thought for sure the guy was messing up and selling me a 199/232/258 chain. But, it was the right one.

I don't think I have put a 1,000 miles on the engine since then. One of these days... (clock ticks, I don't move) I'll get to opening and refreshing the motor. It will be interesting to see the condition (slack) in the chain. I have full intention of reusing the chain because, no, I'll never put 40,000 miles back on that motor. A few thousand - at best.

Here is a link to the Rock Auto timing chain offerings. I used a 1964 engine that they relate to the 3/4" chain. Three different chains. One mentions the aluminum engine but the least expensive (under $15) is a MELLING 365 {Click Info Button for Alternate/OEM Part Numbers} Info Use w/ Cast Iron Engine; 3/4 IN. wide. The "Info" states that it has 60 teeth. The Cloyes and Sealed power chains state 56 teeth and  Sealed Power states it is for the Aluminum engine. Hope that helps.





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