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    Posted: Aug/31/2017 at 4:25pm
I bought a 727 core and had a local shop rebuild it for my 71 Javelin about 3 years ago, didn't intend for it to sit that long. It was covered in garage.

Just got the car driving this week and I've got no reverse or third gear but drive and low 1 and 2 work fine. I also get engine braking in low 1. 

Guys who rebuilt it went out of business and supposedly did a lot of shady work I'm just discovering, I had to pull the trans once already as they put in the wrong front pump. Was not expecting this though, any tests I can do to figure out whats going on with it in the car? Really would like to avoid pulling it again in my driveway as it's a nightmare of a job.


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Going to have to come out... I suspect the direct drum has issues...
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If you got feedback from other that the guy did shoddy work, I would start over...he most likely cut a seal and didn't air check the trans or misassembled/missed assembling something.  There are tons of 727 guys, ask some local MOPAR guys if you are afraid to do it yourself.
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Originally posted by Moffman Moffman wrote:

....Was not expecting this though, any tests I can do to figure out whats going on with it in the car? ...


Get the TSM or one of the aftermarket 727 rebuild books.  Don't be scared of it.  If you have any mechanical ability at all, you can successfully rebuild a 727 yourself.  It is without a doubt one of the simplest transmissions in existence.  The only point you have to get clever is compressing the front clutch to get the retaining ring out.  Shoot, I went through one successfully when I was 16.  As to your symptoms, I'm guessing you have clutch and valve body problems.  But that is just a guess.  Good luck.
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Well that's a bummer to hear, never messed with an auto transmission before. I'd rather just not have to keep pulling it out again lol. Any special tools needed?

Also the shop put in a shift kit, is there anything they could have messed up there that could be an easier fix?
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Definitely could be shift kit issue.......most kits have you take out balls and sometimes machine between passages in valve body, plus change the separator plate.....do you have any idea what brand shift kit??  If you really want to kill off all possibilities before you pull it, drain it, pull the pan and drop out the valve body.....you need a manual, factory TSM will not lead you astray. 
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Originally posted by 401MATCOUPE 401MATCOUPE wrote:

Definitely could be shift kit issue.......most kits have you take out balls and sometimes machine between passages in valve body, plus change the separator plate.....do you have any idea what brand shift kit??  If you really want to kill off all possibilities before you pull it, drain it, pull the pan and drop out the valve body.....you need a manual, factory TSM will not lead you astray. 

Going to have to drain it anyway before dropping so wouldn't hurt to check that first. Can't say I do to be honest. Luckily I have a '71 and '73 TSM, gonna have to go digging through the trans section.

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This might help you out.  It is fairly easy to pull the valve body and air check the direct drum, the service manual will call it the front drum I think. If you can apply low air pressure to it and hear a soft clunk the drum is probably ok. air hissing means you have an internal problem and trans needs to come out. If you changed the pump did you change or inspect the sealing rings on the back side of the stator support? They seal the passage from the pump int the front drum?
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Page six the second picture shows a assembled pump up side down. The two white lines are the rings I am talking about.
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Just FYI, only the 73 TSM will be helpful, since the Torqueflights were introduced in 1972.  As 6PacBee and 1970390amx is saying, these things are very easy if you have mechanical skills......where are you at in New Jersey??  If you air check the servo's like the manual shows, that can give you some confidence that the seals are proper........not only look at the placement of the balls in the valve body, but there are two different diameters and I forgot to mention that a lot of shift kits have you remove the accumulator piston spring.  The key to working on automatics is CLEAN< CLEAN, CLEAN......clean work area, clean hands, avoid working in windy conditions outside, I probably use 20 cans of Brakleen during a rebuild.  One last thing, since you have driven it, how does the fluid smell?  Burnt?  If it does the apply servo seals probably have been compromised, but the basic air check will show up leaks.  Just another FYI, many automatic specialist say the 727 is one of the best trans ever built and as simple as it sounds, the filter is a primary key.  A lot of automatics from early days until today use more of a screen then a real fine particle filter...keeping the fine particles out of the valve body spools and frictions/bands, durable.  They can have a fatal problem if used in very abusive (high RPM and Drag Race) with front drum explosions......but they are rare and under those type conditions, there are billet drums, if you are running a 727 like that and are not aware of these limiting factors, you need to do more homework. For stock applications I will trade off the durability for the extra weight and horsepower it takes to spin it over the other smaller Torqueflights....but that is my personal opinion, every post 1972 AMC I own has a 727 in it.   I know of at least 4 Forum members that combined probably have rebuilt over 1000 of these 727 trans combined.......so plenty of help for you....and if you get really stuck I am not that far from New Jersey....was there last week for the Atlantic City Airshow.
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