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304-dude
AMC Addicted Joined: Sep/29/2008 Location: Central Illinoi Status: Offline Points: 9082 |
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Going back to page 3 on this thread, it seems that Maier Racing uses more of a spherical ball shape in using the halves to rotate with. Though it's expensive, it may produce more drop when suspension is relaxed. That is one reason why I chose to slot the cups that hold the ball in place. The problem with slotting, is alignment. You just can't slap the cups in place and sighten down. In some ways, by making components simple for fitment sake, may have unexpected limits in operation. I think with open tracker, you may machine more radius or use a ball in the center. Greyhounds, may have that option to play around with, in his quest to use poly replacement parts. Not to blow my own horn, just turns out my design would probably fit more street / strip needs, than track. But can be used for street / track as well. If one is willimg to invest extra money, they could try my mod out, using their own machine work and resources, for tighter clearances. After all I did my mod by hand. I think one could do what I did within $75.00 range, if poly bushings are already laying around in the shop, it may just be time and some extra coin for misc. materials. |
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71 Javelin SST body
390 69 crank, 70 block & heads NASCAR SB2 rods & pistons 78 Jeep TH400 w/ 2.76 Low 50/50 Ford-AMC Suspension 79 F150 rear & 8.8 axles Ford Racing 3.25 gears & 9" /w Detroit locker |
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WesternRed
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I think it's just the V in the ball halves that needs to be a bit wider, not sure if the Maeier kit is any better in this regard. Would be good if Opentracker could make a AMC specific kit since they are 90% of the way there.
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mbwicz
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I think it would be good if one of you guys gave feedback to Opentracker on what you did to fit them on your AMC. They may be more willing to offer a kit if AMC enthusiasts already tell them what to change (or give them that starting point).
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1970 AMX, one step forward, one step back. Both steps cost time and money.
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Mopar_guy
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X2!
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"Hemilina" My 1973, 5.7 Hemi swapped Javelin |
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Greyhounds_AMX
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I hadn't checked the position of the strut rod versus the bushing to see how much travel is left - that's pretty critical. And I expect that on lower sitting cars like mine it's going to be reduced, maybe too much reduced. Really, I'd expect that most people who'd be willing to move to the Opentracker setup are probably lower than stock.
There's some room to revise the bushing for a little more travel, but not much. I'm going to have to think about that some more. I've had pretty good success making Polyurethane bushings for these, using my modified Delrin unit for the basis of the mold. That way the new poly bushing has the shoulder turned down and the spacer added in already. |
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WesternRed
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That poly version looks nice and compliant, did you have any issues with the washer hitting the bracket? This is my experience with the 67-73 Mustang Delrin Monoball Strut Rod Bushings from Opentracker Racing: Some modifications were required because although they are similar, the diameter of the hole in the strut rod bracket is smaller than the ford one, so some material had to be removed. There AMC bracket is also thinner, so some spacers were made to take up the space. As mentioned previously, I originally thought we would just machine a bit off the mating faces, but realized they wouldn't be a ball anymore and probably wouldn't work as intended if we did it this way. Finally the center bore of the ball halves was opened up a little to allow a for a bit more articulation to prevent them binding up at full travel, we have achieved roughly 1" of extra articulation. Quite a bit of work in the end and luckily a mate at work was happy to do the lathe work for me. Installed they certainly look the part all shiny and such: Here you can see the new found freedom of movement, I was previously running polyurethane bushes and these were incredibly stiff, it actually doesn't surprise me that there are stories of strut rods breaking from being over-stressed with poly bushes: Still have to pull them down about 3/8" to meet the lower control arm at full drop, but it doesn't take a lot of effort so hopefully there are no issues there. At rest the arm is still angled slightly down, so I can't see any issues on the extension side, but didn't check.
Edited by WesternRed - Nov/28/2020 at 4:40pm |
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304-dude
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What I was thinking, would it be doable to machine the outer cups a smaller diameter. As i thought all the pivot is being blocked by outer edges hitting the bracket. The difference between stock and the open tracker seems to be the outer metal parts being at different distances. I would assume 1/8" trim around the edge would not hurt. Since the cups are deep enough. Any opinions on that?
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71 Javelin SST body
390 69 crank, 70 block & heads NASCAR SB2 rods & pistons 78 Jeep TH400 w/ 2.76 Low 50/50 Ford-AMC Suspension 79 F150 rear & 8.8 axles Ford Racing 3.25 gears & 9" /w Detroit locker |
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Greyhounds_AMX
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With the original cone cut into the ball there's no contact between the cad plated radius washers and the bracket, as the cone angle of +/- 12 degrees stops the rod movement first. You can see that on the video I posted back on page 7, as the lube gets pushed around.
But as Red increased his cone angle he might get close to the washers contacting the mounting bracket. Still, they seem pretty small already compared to stock units so I don't like the idea of cutting them down any. My strut rod is only 2 degrees off from perpendicular with the bracket surface, so I have plenty of travel. Plus if it runs out of travel the rod will just flex the polyurethane bushing.
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WesternRed
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Mine still don't go close to hitting the bracket, but you could just chamfer the edge of the washer if you needed a little more clearance. One thing you probably don't want is so much travel that you uncover the cone in the ball or you could end up with dirt getting in there.
I think overall, they are a pretty nice solution.
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WesternRed
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This is at full drop:
I was thinking more about the poly options as that might see a little bit of compression as well as the up and down movement.
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