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Sanity Check for Price on Moser One-Piece Axles? |
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Red Devil
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... personally, I wouldn't use Mosers for autocross even if they are machined for tapered roller bearings ... unless they've somehow improved the bearing retention as it is a weak-link in the refit axle shaft options for AMC20. Best to check directly with Moser and skip that vendor with the big markup. For $700, could likely get their Hobby-Stock circle track axle kit with the Ford-style ends for Set 80 bearings ... but maybe overkill for the application and need to get ends welded on.
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THE MENACE
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So, Moser will build one piece axle kits with tapered roller bearings for a model 20?? Dennis
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Scrappy
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IMPORTANT UPDATE 10/01/2021: THE ABOVE IS INCORRECT! I received my axles and the bearings ARE NOT TAPERED. In short, Shane at Moser says they "don't do" tapered bearings on the car axles and "doesn't know" why they are able to do that on the Jeep axles (even though everything is the same except for the bolt circle & flange).
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Red Devil
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Set 9 bearing OD = 2.559" Set 5 bearing OD = 2.5625" (stock AMC 20) Maybe a few thou clearance isn't a concern for some ... or maybe they include bore-tite or quick metal or similar to fill the gap? Always double-check and question aftermarket options. Maybe it works, maybe not? Dutchman used to list one-piece axle shafts for the Set 5 bearing. Don't know if they still sell them? Issue with the set 5 is setting correct enplay. Set 9 is a bi-directional load capable, single-row tapered roller bearing. Uses a rib-ring to get the bi-directional load capacity, so need to ensure installed in the correct orientation and remove the shaft thrust block. A 9" might be a more reliable option. At least the aftermarket mostly understands them and lots of options. |
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Benjispr
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So I sent my axles off to Moser for my hornet in 2005 for them to make me a set of one piece axles with the sealed bering and retainers and everything with shipping it was 450
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Scrappy
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That's an interesting point, but in the numerous discussions about Moser's products, I haven't run across a single mention that this has been an issue for anyone, so I'm not concerned about this.
Thanks, I'm aware of all of that.
That's out of the question for now. The diff had been rebuilt not too long before I obtained the car and has a TrueTrac, and I'm averse to the additional power loss that 9"s have when there's no need for the capacity of a 9".
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imacarfan2
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Would just like to say, very informative thread here. Thanks for all the info and good luck Scrappy on getting what you need!
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Red Devil
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Remembered a post from way back of issues a member had with Set9, but seems mostly to be a problem of variations in housing bore depth and getting a suitable spacer made to positively retain the bearing axially. Still not a fan of the loose bore fit or paricularly of how the bearings are retained, but seems few options without changing housing ends. For drag, cruising or general street use, the Green sealed ball bearings seem fine. Hope this helps, RD
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Scrappy
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Folks, I had to take a few days from dealing with this to get a car driveable and go to a show out of state, but now that I'm back, here's what's transpired. TL;DR at the end if you don't care to read all of this.
On the 16th, I wrote a fairly long email (note the total, which I slightly over-estimated in my head, as I recalled the request being for an additional $375). Note I'm leaving off the salutations and signatures:
... a couple of short emails back-and-forth, then: Him:
Me:
TL;DR -- He's refunding my money, but not all of it, because he wants compensation for time spent. It remains to be seen how much I will get back -- $275 or $300. I'm only agreeing with some compensation so I can get this over with. I can tell you this much -- he won't ever be getting any of my business if I can help it. |
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farna
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Well, even getting $275 back isn't unreasonable. I understand your frustrations with the whole matter though. You mentioned not needing the strength of the 9". I understand you want to use the AMC 20 since it was recently rebuilt and has a Tru-Trac, but a Jeep XJ Dana 35 would have worked. They are a little wider than a car AMC 15, and a little stronger -- and have one-piece axle/hubs. Many have limited slip, but not all. There was also a HD D35 used in a lot of 4.0L Comanches (not sure about XJs -- probably fewer) that has slightly larger diameter axles. You would likely have to use deeper wheels like the Eagles did (XJ/MJ axle is same width as Eagle) though. Maybe not an option for you, but could be for others who want a bit stronger axle than an !MC 15, but not as heavy as a Ford 8.8" or 9". The Ford 8" is also a bit stronger than an AMC 15 and pretty common. The D35 and Ford 8" are a bit stronger mainly because of the one-piece axle/hub. Some of the internals may be stronger, especially in the HD D35, but they are roughly equivalent to the AMC 15. AMC15/D35 use the same 7-9/16" ring gear (interchanges), but other internals are different.
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