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    Posted: Mar/10/2021 at 10:43am
If they work in the Spirit maybe I'll get some for the cop car so I can catch Toyota Camrys :)
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Thanks for all the responses. I may try the combo on my Spirit this summer. I'll let you know if I can get 200mph
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Originally posted by Hurst390 Hurst390 wrote:

Originally posted by 69 ambassador 390 69 ambassador 390 wrote:

Originally posted by Boris Badanov Boris Badanov wrote:

All due respects but the impedance (ohms) means
precisely nothing as long as the fire is being 
lit at all RPMs and loads .
 
 
Exactly correct.  Only people who don't understand how an ignition system works will buy into this crap.  I just had a points ignition on my scope the other day.  I found a bad condenser and fixed that.  Had her putting out close to 15Kv with a great pattern.  Yes, 15Kv, with a 40Kv coil.  To test the reserve, I pumped up the secondary resistance and got her to put out 42Kv.  The ignition had ample reserves, but, still only needed 15Kv to ionize the spark column and less than 10Kv to keep the fire for 50 milliseconds burn time.  That was at idle, and as loads increase, so will voltages.  Point is, the highest output ignitions still will only put out a peak voltage that equals what is needed to ionize the gaps in the secondary side.  No more voltage rise will happen after the electrons start flowing.  If you reduce the secondary resistance, you can actually end up with a lower peak firing voltage and a shorter duration spark.  If your ignition is capable of supplying your engine with adequate spark, you will not gain anything from a higher performance upgrade.  You will be a little faster at the track because your wallet is lighter though.
Is this test at WOT with a full load?
 
Read the post. " That was at idle, and as loads increase, so will voltages.  Point is, the highest output ignitions still will only put out a peak voltage that equals what is needed to ionize the gaps in the secondary side.  No more voltage rise will happen after the electrons start flowing. "
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I used to sell auto parts for a living.  Every once in a while, Monroe shock absorbers would have a contest for sales people.  I could win trips or other prizes.  The sales literature and training stated that the Monroe Comfort select or some such thing, would out perform a competitors shock absorber by 50% when the comparison sample was tested with one shock 75% degraded.  I was supposed to tell customers about the 30% better braking and 50% better handling as compared to the same degraded test sample.  Needless to say, I never won a damn thing.  I couldn't bring myself to spew that crap to my customers.  They used to print that crap rite on the carton too.
 
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The narrator mentions "professionally tuned" carburetor. HA ha, all that means is that someone got paid to tune the carburetor. He should have said correctly tuned carburetor.

Also, I've used anti seize on all the plugs I've installed for at least 40 years and never had one of them foul because the antiseize wicks into the cylinder. LOL what do they do, dip the plug in the container?
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Doesn't sound that orgasmic to me.

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Doesn't sound that orgasmic to me.
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Originally posted by Hurst390 Hurst390 wrote:

Originally posted by WesternRed WesternRed wrote:

I guess this is a credible source for 5-10 HP increase with the Brisk Plugs on an Engine Masters Challenge application:

https://www.racepagesdigital.com/2822-2/

As for the 36 HP gain, we really need to know what these crate engines come with, if they are just running some cheap Chinese leads then maybe there is something in it. You really need to see how they compare with other high end leads.

I'd be willing to give the plugs a try, looks like they are not super expensive, but how do you choose which ones to run.
Again his 36 hp number isnt from one or the other component. It was the combination of the wires and plugs. I am talking about the 604 crate that does not come with a distributor or plugs. The 602 and 3 come with an HEI.

"P/N 88959604 “604” 88958604 is rated at 400 hp @ 5500 rpm. It makes 400 ft lbs torque @ 4500 rpm. It fits well in late models and other classes that run on longer tracks. The engine comes complete intake to pan. It does not include distributor, flywheel, or water pump. The 4 bolt block, steel crank, powder metal rods, and highsilicon pistons make a great foundation. The 9.6:1 compression ratio with “Fast Burn” aluminum heads and roller rockers make great power and lots of torque. The 7” deep oil pan holds 8 quarts including the filter. This engine has a high-rise, single plane, aluminum intake manifold. This engine weighs 375 lbs as delivered."

So what you are saying is that this engine that is “nominally rated” at 400 HP makes 436 HP with the Brisk Plugs and Multifire leads?

Quite possibly, the same engine would make 450 HP with MSD leads and NGK plugs.


Edited by WesternRed - Mar/09/2021 at 5:25pm
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Originally posted by 69 ambassador 390 69 ambassador 390 wrote:

Originally posted by Boris Badanov Boris Badanov wrote:

All due respects but the impedance (ohms) means
precisely nothing as long as the fire is being 
lit at all RPMs and loads .
 
 
Exactly correct.  Only people who don't understand how an ignition system works will buy into this crap.  I just had a points ignition on my scope the other day.  I found a bad condenser and fixed that.  Had her putting out close to 15Kv with a great pattern.  Yes, 15Kv, with a 40Kv coil.  To test the reserve, I pumped up the secondary resistance and got her to put out 42Kv.  The ignition had ample reserves, but, still only needed 15Kv to ionize the spark column and less than 10Kv to keep the fire for 50 milliseconds burn time.  That was at idle, and as loads increase, so will voltages.  Point is, the highest output ignitions still will only put out a peak voltage that equals what is needed to ionize the gaps in the secondary side.  No more voltage rise will happen after the electrons start flowing.  If you reduce the secondary resistance, you can actually end up with a lower peak firing voltage and a shorter duration spark.  If your ignition is capable of supplying your engine with adequate spark, you will not gain anything from a higher performance upgrade.  You will be a little faster at the track because your wallet is lighter though.
Is this test at WOT with a full load?
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Originally posted by FSJunkie FSJunkie wrote:

There is a lot of nonsense relating to old cars. Probably to cars in general. And there are a lot of people who believe the nonsense.

It's best to leave those people alone. Fix your own cars. Let them screw up theirs. It's not your job to get yourself all wrapped up in their mess. 
Good advice! Do you follow? Smile
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