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george w
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Posted: Jan/23/2021 at 9:33am |
Has anyone done any modifications to their AMC cars to move the front seats further rearward ? I must have grown longer "legs" in the last 50 years because even with the front driver's seat at the end of it's rearward travel, I'm too close to the steering wheel in my 67 Ambassador DPL hardtop. The seat tracks have a 90 degree bracket at the front that attaches the front of the track to the face of a floor pan brace that runs from the tunnel to the sill. This prevents the fixed, lower part of the track from moving any further rearward. The rear of the track bolts to the floor and I really don;t want to change the factory floor pan mounting points. I'm wondering what prevents the upper portion of the track slide that bolts to the seat from moving further back. Maybe later big body models had longer seat tracks, I just don't know but there sure isn't quite enough leg room for me.
Has anyone modified their tracks or their seats to gain some backward travel and if so how ? I'm going to pull the front seat and have a closer look but I'd like to know if anyone has any experience doing this to their car. I don't need much, maybe an inch or so would make a big difference. |
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Long time AMC fan. Ambassador 343, AMX 390, Hornet 360, Spirit 304 and Javelin 390. All but javelin bought new.
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Back in '72 I bought a new Gremlin. I had difficulty getting my foot off the gas and onto the manual brake pedal. My knee would not fit between the steering wheel and floor shifter. Looking in the parts catalogue, I found that there was an accessory seat rail extender kit which moved the seat back about 2".
Fast forward to 10 years ago when I bought another Gremlin. Same problem but of course no extenders available now. I made my own set out of 1/4" aluminum. They fasten to the top of the seat adjuster tracks and have the seat bolts 2-1/2" further back. They had to be shaped to allow clearance for the slide mechanism, sort of banana shaped. I wish that I had taken pictures and measurements but I didn't. You can't see much of them with the seat in place.
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304-dude
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Back when I got my Javelin in the mid 80's, I came across something about the seat extenders, and 2 inches of displacement. I never had an issue with the Javelin, so I never bothered to find anything else about it.
The previous reply is the first time I have heard someone else know of such a thing, from AMC. |
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I modified a buddies car by using 1/2"x3/4" angle. Made 4" extensions using the existing seat rail mounting holes and existing floor mounting holes. I just bolted the seat rail to the angle and the angle to the floor. This was in a 70 Javelin. The seat does sit about 1/4" towards the door as the angle needed a little more room for the tunnel. My 69 Javelin, had just one Firebird seat. I found 2003 Honda Accord seats that were charcoal color and with separate head rests (bonus as 69 was the only year with this) that were dimensional within 1/4" of the original. Had to weld on mounting points to use the original holes. My son 6'2" and daughter 5'2" can both drive the car. So if you cannot work extensions, you may just look for modern replacements to modify and keep the original seats.
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Cricket
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I am in need of the same thing, my 66 Classic has me too close to the steering wheel - LOL! And like the OP, my issue is the front of the lower brackets bends down over the front of the seat pans, so you can't just make extensions, and move the seat back - unless you raise it about 1-1/2 inches, which is not good either, as I already hit the headliner. I was hoping, as the OP said, that later seats might have flat tracks, and somebody would know, who has dealt with this.
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The reason I mentioned the replacement is that anything after 1980 was likely a lower profile car and the seat tracks will be much lower for a lower profile car. A 2 door coupe will have a mechanism to fold and slide the seat forward for rear seat access and the 4 door sedan will not. If you have access to a pick & pull, you can measure track widths, seat heights/widths etc. You have to be careful not to pick a seat with air bags, unless you know how to deal with them! Having added head rests on an older car to me is a bonus. I don't know about others, but the number of people that tailgate just to have a look is always worrisome.
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george w
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I have to keep the original seats as all the front upholstery material is new and the car is totally stock and in as close to new in condition as is possible. I'll need to pull the seat and tracks out together and see if there's some way to shift the seat rearward where it's bolted to the upper, moveable track. I was thinking that maybe on later model big bodies, like 68 and up with bucket seats, that the seat tracks may have been redesigned to have additional rearward travel. Maybe I would just need to find a set of later model seat tracks if that were the case.
Anyone here with with a newer Rebel or Ambassador with bucket seats have any issues with the front seat not going far enough back ? |
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Long time AMC fan. Ambassador 343, AMX 390, Hornet 360, Spirit 304 and Javelin 390. All but javelin bought new.
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billd
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I have some parts that my boss told me were 'seat extensions' that allow the seat to be mounted further back. My guess is early to mid Rambler but I don't know for sure.
I know one thing for sure about AMC seats - those 5/16-24 keps nuts are not something you find locally at any hardware store these days. Even not on Amazon - you have to find a bolt specialty place these days. Who would have thunk it 50 years ago that something so common would be so hard to find - it's ordinary hardware - or used to be!
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billd
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Yeah, I know I can buy them online from the bolt/fastener specialists. But it used to be you could drop into any hardware store and buy even just 4 or 5 if you needed just a couple. These days you have to buy 100 when you need 5, and pay shipping on top.
So my point was you can no longer just drop into a store and buy common hardware like that, you have to go online, buy 100 and have 95 you'll not use for years if ever, and spend 20 bucks (with shipping) instead of 3 or 4 and go home and use them. I know you can buy them online - but what if I wanted just what would fit in my hand, or less? And wanted it this weekend? Can't do it. That's why I saved all of the coffee cans of bolts and nuts Dad ever had. Still among all of those cans of stuff, even some things he didn't have on hand. |
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