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    i have no brakes and the brakes won't bleed.no fluid coming out.  it's a 1963 rambler american 
straight 6 ohv. also i didn't try very hard but i could 
not get the front drums off any tricks ?

scott 

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locktight Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List AMC Fan Joined: Jan/27/2021 Location: fort worth Status: Offline Points: 13	Post Options Post Reply Quote locktight Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: brakes Posted: Feb/22/2021 at 7:01pm
	i have no brakes and the brakes won't bleed. no fluid coming out. it's a 1963 rambler american straight 6 ohv. also i didn't try very hard but i could not get the front drums off any tricks ? scott

nickleone Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List AMC Addicted Joined: Oct/04/2008 Location: westminster co Status: Offline Points: 833	Post Options Post Reply Quote nickleone Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Feb/22/2021 at 7:19pm
	Master cylinder not working possibly. Loosen the brake line at the MC, pump brake pedal. Does it squirt brake fluid? If yes there is an obstruction in the brake lines most likely at the rubber hoses. Stuck drum, try backing off the adjuster there could be a ridge in the drum holding it. Apply lube and large hammer to break the RUST bond if the adjuster does not help. More info here: https://theamcforum.com/forum/1964-american-rear-drum-removal_topic109380_page1.html Nick Edited by nickleone - Feb/22/2021 at 7:27pm
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troutwilly Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List AMC Apprentice Joined: Sep/14/2007 Location: Carriere, MS Status: Offline Points: 116	Post Options Post Reply Quote troutwilly Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Feb/22/2021 at 8:01pm
	If its not a master cylinder failure its probably the rubber brake lines between the steel lines and the wheel cylinders. They collapse (swell up inside and close off) with age. Disconnect the rubber line on the wheel cylinder side. Check to see if you can get fluid to flow. Then disconnect the rubber line on the frame side and see if you can get fluid to flow. Keep disconnecting back towards the master cylinder until you get flow to find the stoppage. If the rubber lines are old (10 yrs maybe, 20 yrs definitely) you might go ahead and replace them anyway to be safe.
	Bill O. 70 AMX

tomj Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List AMC Addicted Joined: Jan/27/2010 Location: los angeles Status: Offline Points: 5411	Post Options Post Reply Quote tomj Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Feb/22/2021 at 11:19pm
	Woah... back waaaay up. Was this working before you started? What work did you do? Why are you bleeding it? What's the history of your car (I mean pertinent to the task at hand.) What is it you are trying to do? It's best to give too much info than not enough. DO you have a factory technical service manual for this car? (WYOU REALLY SHOULD! Not a "Haynes" or whatever, thsey are useless). What's your skill level? Have you done brake work before? We're all perfectly happy helping out newbies or old hands. It just helps to know up front.
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locktight Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List AMC Fan Joined: Jan/27/2021 Location: fort worth Status: Offline Points: 13	Post Options Post Reply Quote locktight Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Feb/23/2021 at 7:46am
	work was done by someone else at some point. just got car home and trying to get it road worthy. used to do a lot of brakes drum brakes as a kid. just haven't done any real brake work in a long time and the answers to the post are helpful to jog the memory. thanks guys !!!

tufcj Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Supporter of TheAMCForum Supporter of TheAMCForum Joined: Jul/10/2007 Location: Watkins, CO Status: Offline Points: 3174	Post Options Post Reply Quote tufcj Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Feb/23/2021 at 8:00am
	Front drums are swedged to the hub at the lug studs. Remove the hub and drum by removing the bearing cap and nut. I did a friends 1960 American. It had been sitting over 10 years. All of the wheel cylinders were frozen. All of the brake shoes were good, so we replaced the 4 wheel cylinders. Bleeding was a pain with the master cylinder on the frame (no gravity help). Not sure yours is the same. Keep working at it, eventually you'll get it done. Bob tufcj
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