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locktight
AMC Fan Joined: Jan/27/2021 Location: fort worth Status: Offline Points: 11 |
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Posted: Feb/22/2021 at 7:01pm |
i have no brakes and the brakes won't bleed.
no fluid coming out. it's a 1963 rambler american straight 6 ohv. also i didn't try very hard but i could not get the front drums off any tricks ? scott
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nickleone
AMC Addicted Joined: Oct/04/2008 Location: westminster co Status: Offline Points: 1441 |
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Master cylinder not working possibly. Loosen the brake line at the MC, pump brake pedal. Does it squirt brake fluid? If yes there is an obstruction in the brake lines most likely at the rubber hoses.
Stuck drum, try backing off the adjuster there could be a ridge in the drum holding it. Apply lube and large hammer to break the RUST bond if the adjuster does not help. More info here: https://theamcforum.com/forum/1964-american-rear-drum-removal_topic109380_page1.html Nick Edited by nickleone - Feb/22/2021 at 7:27pm |
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401 71 Gremlin pro rally car sold 390 V8 SX/4 pro rally car sold 1962 Classic SW T5 4 wheel disc brakes |
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troutwilly
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If its not a master cylinder failure its probably the rubber brake lines between the steel lines and the wheel cylinders. They collapse (swell up inside and close off) with age. Disconnect the rubber line on the wheel cylinder side. Check to see if you can get fluid to flow. Then disconnect the rubber line on the frame side and see if you can get fluid to flow. Keep disconnecting back towards the master cylinder until you get flow to find the stoppage. If the rubber lines are old (10 yrs maybe, 20 yrs definitely) you might go ahead and replace them anyway to be safe.
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tomj
AMC Addicted Joined: Jan/27/2010 Location: earth Status: Offline Points: 7544 |
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Woah... back waaaay up.
Was this working before you started? What work did you do? Why are you bleeding it? What's the history of your car (I mean pertinent to the task at hand.) What is it you are trying to do? It's best to give too much info than not enough. DO you have a factory technical service manual for this car? (WYOU REALLY SHOULD! Not a "Haynes" or whatever, thsey are useless). What's your skill level? Have you done brake work before? We're all perfectly happy helping out newbies or old hands. It just helps to know up front. |
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1960 Rambler Super two-door wagon, OHV auto
1961 Roadster American, 195.6 OHV, T5 http://www.ramblerLore.com |
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locktight
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work was done by someone else at some point. just got car
home and trying to get it road worthy. used to do a lot of brakes drum brakes as a kid. just haven't done any real brake work in a long time and the answers to the post are helpful to jog the memory. thanks guys !!!
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tufcj
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Front drums are swedged to the hub at the lug studs. Remove the hub and drum by removing the bearing cap and nut. I did a friends 1960 American. It had been sitting over 10 years. All of the wheel cylinders were frozen. All of the brake shoes were good, so we replaced the 4 wheel cylinders. Bleeding was a pain with the master cylinder on the frame (no gravity help). Not sure yours is the same. Keep working at it, eventually you'll get it done. Bob tufcj
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Saskatoonsk
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1960 Rambler custom front brake hub problem . I ordered a set of after market front brake drums and after installing them it seems that my original rims don't seem to fit right . the rear rims sit tight against the drum but the front sits about 3/8 of an in. away from the rim and I have over tighten nuts to suck in the rim to the drum. Any help or direction would be great .
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6768rogues
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I would start at the wheels and work my way back through the system. It could be a variety of problems.
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1958 rambler super
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I know no one is really caring about this thread anymore, but yes, while doing work on the 1958 rambler supers brake drums and repacking the front bearings, I noticed the rear brake drums come off right after you take the wheel off, the wheel is what holds the drum where its supposed to be, but, when I was trying to take off the front drums, I tried for ever doing all sorts of stuff, penetrating spray (didn't think it would do much) wacking it with a hammer in all sorts of diff spots to maybe lossen up some rust that was cementing it together, it couldn't figure out hwo to get it off, and was almost going to rent a puller, and then my dad suggested to try taking off the castelated nut that holds the wheel bearing in, and it worked! I was a little ticked off things seemed so hard to figure out, but I was thinking the front drums must be the same as the rear drums, but that was not true, it's as clear as carrots to me now, always think twice before assuming things are the same.
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tomj
AMC Addicted Joined: Jan/27/2010 Location: earth Status: Offline Points: 7544 |
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Missed this... You have the wrong drums. If you tightened the lug nuts to make the wheels touch the drums you may have ruined the wheels, I hope not. You cannot buy the drums you want, Raybestos 2500, from most parts stores. They are no longer made. Check with the AMC suppliers or brake specialty places. They will be about $100 each. Big automated parts sellers have suffered from "catalog collapse" where they have mashed unrelated "similar" but often wrong parts into one. They all use the same data so they all sell the same wrong parts. |
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1960 Rambler Super two-door wagon, OHV auto
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