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Originally posted by SirDigger SirDigger wrote:

Whats the Diffrence between the 2 Spindles?
The bearings that come with the Wilwood Kit seemed to fit. 
If I remember correctly the issues were bearing size and the pad thickness for the spindle. If the pad is too thick it places the caliper stand too far inboard. AMC used two size bearings. The smaller size in the early cars and larger size in later cars. I don't remember the cut off in years. There also was two or three pad sizes. I have to apologize that I don't remember the details. I used a set of spindles that were originally from a drum set up instead of the KH spindles. They were a dead bolt up. The think the pads were too think on the Bendix spindles I had. You could also shave the pads down to the proper thickness if you had the right equipment. I will have to go back and dig through my old posts to see if I can find more accurate information. This was all discussed once before.



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The Bearings seems to fit, and as I searched the Web yesterday I found this Post in the
Amcyclopedia http://www.amcyclopedia.org/node/18461 So it seems that I just have to mount everything, meassure the Offset, dismount the Spindles and have them grinded at a Maschine Shop.



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Originally posted by SirDigger SirDigger wrote:

The Bearings seems to fit, and as I searched the Web yesterday I found this Post in the
Amcyclopedia http://www.amcyclopedia.org/node/18461 So it seems that I just have to mount everything, meassure the Offdet dismount the Spindles and have the grinded at a Maschine Shop.

I was not able to find the thread I was looking for here on this forum but that posting on the amcycopedia sums it up nicely. One nice thing about the Wilwood calipers is they have a silver center line that you can use to eyeball the alignment to the rotor. The thread I was looking for listed the pad measurements which might have saved you some time. Wilwood includes some thin shims (washers) in their kit so if your machine shop misses by a little bit you can still recover.

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So i started Mounting the Willwood kit...

2 Issues with the BendixSpindles, we hat to massage the Dustshield a Bit to make room for the Rotor, and the SpindleNut and Ring has to be used from the existing Setup.
The Offset seems to be correctable with Just one Shim under the Caliper.


But WTF are these Torx Srews? Grade Zero? Its not StainlessSteel, its to magnetic for that.

I Set up my Torquewrench correctly to 25lbs-ft, and killed 2 of the Tiny TorxSrews that attach the Rotor to the Adapter Disc.

It seems that the Hole for the Torx Bit is Way to Deep, there is just a small Ring of Material between the Head and the tread  left.
I have to take some Pictures later.   

And now I have to figure out wher to get simular Screws in Germany, its no bigger Problem to get Inbus or Hex heads, but an UNF or UNC with a Torx head Bold...  Its like playing the Lottery..
I have a Hexhead with the correct size in Stock, but i´m not comfortable with it, du to Weight differences.
And ordering replacment ones from the States... 1-2 Weeks.


 
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As you can see, there was not much Material between the head and the Screw´s Tread/Bolt...  I´m not really comfortable with with that.

Anyone knew the Grade of this Screws? Grade 8? 
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Wow! They must be getting their bolts from Inda now. I have installed at least six of those kits and that is the first time I have ever seen that happen. Not sure of the grade on the bolts so I can't help you there but you be able to source the localy. I would ship the bolts back to Wilwood and ask for some kind of compensation.

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Ken, I´m in Germany...
Shiping the Stufff back, and reciving new ones...
will take Ages... and cost me about 20$ Mailcosts

I figured out I can get macting Screws from onlineShops in germany that focused on US/ENglisch Screws.

I´m not comfortable with these Bolts Wilwood deliverd,
so I will change all 12 of em. Probably will take Grade 8 ones. 

Funny Thing is they sponsor this Corner of the Board... LOL
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At the very least I would send Wilwood pictures so they are aware that they have some kind of quality control issue. If you can localy source some replacments be very careful of the lenght as I did notice that some of the clearances are very close.

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Just done that @ Ken  and the lengh of the Scews is descibed with 3/4" in the Manual, so I should have no Problems to get the correct ones.
Just did a bit reseach of the Maximum Torque for the 5/16-18 Scresw, and this shows they must be Grade 8 ones.


Copy of my Mail to Support@Wilwood.com

Hello from Germany,  my Name is Holger Froede.

I bought an Wilwood Kit BreakKit for my Amc Javelin from FreakRide.
While Installing the Rotors to the Adapterplate i teared 2 Heads of the supplyed Bolts apart.
As in the Manual suggested I used an Scewlocking fluid, and my TorqueWrench was setup to the suggested Torque of 25lbs/ft. (I run a ConstructionBusiness with own RepairShop, our Torque Wrences are tested for accuracy every 3 Months)

I attached 5 Pictures of the Torxhead, there you can see the Area of the fracture, in my Opinion, the depth of the Hole for the ToryBit is way to deep.
There is just a small Ring of Material beween the Head and the Bolt left.

My question is the Grade of the Bolts,
due to the suggested Torque,
it seems they should be Grade 8,
I ask cause I need to get other Bolts quick, (i can get them here at OnlineScrewdealers or HarleyDavidsongarages.
And I´m not comfortable with the Bolts Wilwood supplyed,
because every Bolt in the Box (Partnumber 230-12121 stamped Assambler 32 WWE) has the same depth at the head.   

Regards from Germany

Holger Froede
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