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mchaggis
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Posted: May/29/2015 at 3:39pm |
I replaced the Bendix brakes a year ago and now have a hard peddle and it takes a fair bit of leg work to get the speed down. Not great to be honest. I assume it's the change in master cylinder size to piston area.
Has anyone else had this issue? |
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SirDigger
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Did you replace the Mastercylinder to a wilwood MBC too?
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Had one the other day, 1961 chevy impala with front discs, vac power asssist. Had hard pedal, 400 psi at fron caliper, replaced 1 1/8 master with a 1 inch and pressure went to 720
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mchaggis
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No. Only the brakes were changed. It still has the 1" cylinder. My feeling is my volume is too much and the pressure is too low. Wilwood don't seem to do a 7/8" cylinder for power brakes, only manual. I'm going to try changing the peddle ratio to increase pressure.
Just wondering if anyone else has had this same issue? |
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SirDigger
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Just switched to Wilwood too, Al from ControlFreaks sold me an Power MBC from Wilwood with the 1 1/8" Bore.
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Al suggested I get one too but my understanding of how the whole system works make me believe a 1-1/8" would be too big. It will supply more volume but at a lower pressure which i would have thought is the opposite of what you need.
I'm interested to find out how it works for you as I'll get one off Al too if yours is works out great. PM me if you like. |
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The Pressure at the Breakes depends on 2 factors.
Surface of the MBC Piston to the Calipers Pistons, and the Vaccum at the booster. if you have a low vaccum/agressive Cam you have s lower level of Support for the MBC. I had some Prolems while installing, the Wilwood MBC is diffrent as the Stock AMC one.. so i mixed up the Front & rear circuits.. Btw What Car did you install the Wilwood? and what size of the Breakes did you choose? |
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69 Javelin. I went with the 11" rotors due to the 14" wheels I had at the time. I was talking to Al about parts to move up to the 12.19" setup. I need to sort my primary issue before I spend that sort of $.
The orginal Bendix pistons were 2" a the Wilwood's are only 1.75" so I'm thinking I need more pressure and less volume. |
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Yes, you need more pressure and less voulume in the front but need the same as original in the back because of stock drums. The adjustment on the Wilwoods is very imortant on the booster pushrod. Just touching the piston. Also look at your belcrank/mount. They are usually seized at the pivot and need to be heated and pulled apart for service. The shaft is straked in place at the square end and when it seizes, you only get a little travel before you run into hard pedal. We find that 95% of all bellcrank/nounts are stuck. If the shaft hasbeen turnning wher the square goes into the bracket, you have to tack weld it solid again. Bolt it to a booster to keep it square and aligned when you weld. You would not beleive how much better it will stop.
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The original bellcrank is long gone. Years ago I was forced to make a new one which has worked well for 20+ years with the old setup. The ratios are the same as original but I'm thinking about changing this to allow more peddle movement to reduce peddle effort but I am posting here as the last effort to sort this perhaps more correctly before I rip into the ratios.
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