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    Posted: Aug/21/2012 at 1:55am
I've decided to use my good 290 motor with the old IH truck (since affording a diesel isn't in my jobhunting budget) so I need a bell and flexplate. (if the one from the M35 I had won't work on the M11) Anyone know for sure?
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I'm pretty sure the M-35 flexplate is smaller in diameter than the V-8 flexplate -- 149 teeth if from a 196, 153 if from a 232.  If it were the right diameter (how many teeth on a V-8 ring gear?) it could be match balanced to a 290 flywheel/flexplate. Remember, the sixes are all internally balanced and use a "neutral balance" flywheel/flexplate.

The bell bolts up differently to the trans, six bolts in a circle on the M-35, the M-11 uses just four bolts in a rectangular pattern. 
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I have the M35 flexplate for the 290 (we put the trans in another Rebel)
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Okay, you mean the M-40 flexplate for the 290. That's what had me confused! The M-3x series was used behind sixes, the stronger M-4x was used behind the small V-8 (w/2V) and starting in 70 the sixes as well.  Externally they look the same, and both series are aluminum. I don't think any of the M-4x series were air cooled, just the M-3x (but not all), but I might be wrong.

If the torque converter bolts up it should work. The converter might work -- you'll have to slip it over the shaft and into the pump of an M-11 and find out. That or compare the shafts and converter necks (but you don't have a M-11 converter, do you?).
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I have the IH M11 (or whatever the '66 IH BW trans is) converter. I know I need the bell from a bigger V8 for it but I don't know if the bolt pattern for the flexplate is the same or not.
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I think the 290 would have originally had the M44, which uses six converter bolts. The M11 has four converter studs. They won't interchange without modifications.
 
Long ago I had a 290 connected to an M12 with the M12 flexplate. Vibrated pretty badly at highway speeds.
 
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Probably because the M-12 flexplate wasn't for a 290. Remember, flexplates for V-8s have to be balanced for the engine size.

The M-40 was used in 66-69 with the 290/2V, M-44 was introduced in 71 with the 304.

Good call on the number of flexplate bolts, I had forgotten about that!
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Originally posted by farna farna wrote:

Probably because the M-12 flexplate wasn't for a 290. Remember, flexplates for V-8s have to be balanced for the engine size.
 
Yup, that was my point. Guess I should have mentioned the balancing.
 
Originally posted by farna farna wrote:

The M-40 was used in 66-69 with the 290/2V, M-44 was introduced in 71 with the 304.
 
You're right about the M-40 in '69 but the '70 TSM says the M44 was used with the 304 in '70.
 
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The M12 was used with the 290 in the AMX in'68/'69.  
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Either the M-11 or M-12 was used with the 290/4V in the Americans also, but only with the 4V.  I think your point is that the M-11/12 flexplate could be for a 290 -- and you are correct! I didn't think to point that out in the previous post, it needed to be done, thanks! Jim can order a 290 M-11/12 flexplate from one of the AMC vendors, most likely. 
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