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tyrodtom
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Posted: Mar/21/2010 at 2:32pm |
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, Cover that fan up before the black helicopters see it.
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66 American SW, 66 American 2dr, 82 J10, 70 Hornet, Pound, Va.
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bruceg
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Posted: Mar/21/2010 at 3:00pm |
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Your parts car looks pretty darn solid, too!
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Posted: Mar/21/2010 at 7:03pm |
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Matt, you wre sort of right -- Tom's info is on the 196, but the OHV version. The L-head doesn't have a head gasket issue, just the OHV. The problem is the massive OHV head expands and contracts enough to loosen the head bolts over time. Takes over 15K miles to do it, or sitting for 5-6 years in the weather (may take longer than that, but they WILL work loose without running the engine!).
The problem with the L-head isn't getting the bolts loose. They usually either come right off or screw the studs out if the nuts stick. The biggest problem is getting the head over the 21 studs! A little rust forms around the studs where they go through the head and stick it on. I've had to use a steel wedge to get a head off! If the studs pull out it's plain wonderful! I know where the cracks in the block are without asking -- around the exhaust valves, and maybe intakes too. Remember guys -- flat-head -- valve seats are in the block. The head is little more than a cover for the cylinders and valves. It does have a water jacket in it for cooling, of course! Martin, you shouldn't have a problem finding a flat-head block, I'd think there were a few around that someone would be willing to give you. You might have to drive 100 miles one way for a rebuilder that might be like your cracked one, but ya gotta do what ya gotta do! I gave one away not long ago, guy just had come out and pick it up. The smoking could be rings, but have the valve guides checked USING AMC SPECS too. There are no valve steam seals. The valves are upside down and only get splash oiling. If the guides are worn bad oil can still be sucked in though. If the valves are good bronze liners can be installed. There used to be oversize stem valves, but I'm not sure if you could find them or what the price might be if you do. Edited by farna - Mar/21/2010 at 7:04pm |
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MARTINSR
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Posted: Mar/21/2010 at 7:28pm |
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Thanks Frank, I really want to run this Flatty!
Hey, I was going to post another thread but where was my American made? I saw it somewhere but now can't remember.
Brian
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1959 Rambler American daily driver. And I mean EVERY SINGLE day.
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MARTINSR
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Posted: Mar/21/2010 at 8:04pm |
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Yeah Bruce, I actually was trying to leave the motor in it so someone else could have a nice little project after I took the little things off for my two door. Other than some rust in the floors it is darn solid and all original down to the paint.
I wanted to leave it all together so it could live on being it really is in pretty good shape. But that is all history and hopefully someone will still want it and fix it so it won't be crushed and made into Chinese made lawn funiture for HomeDepot.
Brian
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MARTINSR
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Posted: Mar/21/2010 at 8:06pm |
I got the hood back on just in time!
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69BBB3904spAMX
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Posted: Mar/23/2010 at 12:54am |
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I run the stock 60 hp flathead V8 in my 37 Ford and an 85 hp flathead V8 in my 38 Ford. As the link to "stitching a cracked block" previously provided, that is the time tested and proven way to fix a crack in a flathead block.
What's it cost to rebuild a head or heads for a flathead engine ?
Answer - $0.00, there are no moving parts! Scape off the old gasket, install a new gasket, torque it down and go !
If you need a cracked block fixed, there is a flathead shop here in San Jose that will make crack repairs, Will Medeiros, 408-499-4949 or 408-227-9671, willmed@earthlink.net
Have not used him personally, but he comes highly recommended by The Early Ford V8 Club.
Also, a little trivia.... in 1937 the original Ford V8 60 hp blocks were cast iron, but the sides of the block were "open" where you could see the cylinder bores. Ford welded stainless steel sheet metal over the sides of the block to the cast iron to form the water jacket. Not sure how Ford accomplished this, but I have (2) of these V8 60's with the stainless steel sides. Ford discontinued this midyear and went to an all cast iron V8 60 block. Edited by 69BBB3904spAMX - Mar/23/2010 at 1:08am |
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farna
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Posted: Mar/23/2010 at 8:27am |
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well, you might need to get the head surfaced, but as you stated -- no moving parts so surfacing and cleaning is really all that can be done!
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MARTINSR
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Posted: Mar/23/2010 at 9:10am |
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I have worked on many flathead powered early Ford V8s back years ago when I worked at a full on restoration shop which specialized in the V8 Ford (doing body repair and paint). I have a memory somewhere in the back of my head about the little V8 60 having the metal sides as you desribe but hadn't thought about it in years. I do know that was as interesting little motor and pretty successful back in the Midget racing of the forties and fifties.
I have never owned a flatty and just love it's simplicity. I am planning on keeping it stock but darn a "LeMans" head with twin carbs I saw on eBay sure looked tempting!
Brian
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