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    Posted: Mar/19/2010 at 10:36am
Just got the call from the machine shop my block has MANY cracks in it! CRAP!! With luck my parts car motor will be good. I am going to start the project of pulling it over the weekend. Hopefully I will have the energy to do the whole thing and get it off to the machine shop.
 
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Depending on the location of the cracks they or you maybe able to weld them up.
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Originally posted by ramblinfsj ramblinfsj wrote:

Depending on the location of the cracks they or you maybe able to weld them up.
For the most part you cannot weld cast iron.  I would just get another block.  only time I would even think about it is if absolutely couldnt find another block and I wanted it to be 100 % original.
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Originally posted by ramblinfsj ramblinfsj wrote:

Depending on the location of the cracks they or you maybe able to weld them up.


A lot of us antique iron collectors have done this successfully a number of times. Just try for a new 1926 block....... or even a good used one.
I had an exhaust manifold literally patched for a tractor I used to own. The back side was blown out, burned and rusted through. A neighbor welding fixed it up nicely. Even under loads that got the exhaust orange-hot she held up.

There are tricks - of course, it depends on WHERE the cracks are and where they lead to!
First choice-  different block if possible........
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Originally posted by billd billd wrote:

Originally posted by ramblinfsj ramblinfsj wrote:

Depending on the location of the cracks they or you maybe able to weld them up.


A lot of us antique iron collectors have done this successfully a number of times. Just try for a new 1926 block....... or even a good used one.
I had an exhaust manifold literally patched for a tractor I used to own. The back side was blown out, burned and rusted through. A neighbor welding fixed it up nicely. Even under loads that got the exhaust orange-hot she held up.

There are tricks - of course, it depends on WHERE the cracks are and where they lead to!
First choice-  different block if possible........
When I said not very well, I was meaning water.  been my experience that its very difficult to get a weld to hold water..............but then, I didnt do the welding................and I know Im not good enough to even thenk about welding cast iron.........know the Nickel rods are pricey.
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The trick is using a wire welder. No expensive nickel rods. If you can grind a little valley in the crack and then make sure it's extremely clean, a wire welder with seal the crack. We had the case of an old windwill welded up and it's as good as new.
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I've used nickel rods myself with some success, but not on anything major. Antique engine blocks and heads. In some cases, I'll braze those first...
But normally for cast, I take it to a pro.
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At this point there are way too many to weld up. Not unless it was some super rare motor, it just isn't worth it. I have this other one that runs like a champ, but it smokes. So now I will pull the head off tomorrow and see why it smokes! Hopefully it isn't because it is cracked. :(
 
If it is cracked I will be looking for another motor. DAMN IT, I really want to run a flathead. If I can't come up with one I don't know what I will do. But one of the things I had thought about was .......electric. Wink
 
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Originally posted by MARTINSR MARTINSR wrote:

Just got the call from the machine shop my block has MANY cracks in it! CRAP!! With luck my parts car motor will be good. I am going to start the project of pulling it over the weekend. Hopefully I will have the energy to do the whole thing and get it off to the machine shop.
 
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I feel your pain,I just returned from the transmission shop with my rebuilt M8 sitting in the back of my pickup.Total price 1125.00.Just to let you know your not alone in the depressed department.LOL
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Contact raysinvegas and pacerman. They both have a bunch of old Rambler parts and just might have a good flathead block if you find you need one. Raysinvegas is, of course, in Las Vegas and I think Pacerman is in Salinas, CA.
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