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    Posted: May/19/2012 at 12:32am
Id like to start a thread for anyone else who is not transmission savvy. 
some basic problems i dont have answers to would be.
what transmissions will fit to my engine, what determines that a transmission will fit? can any transmission be fitted to my bellhousing? when swapping in a non stock transmission what do i do about the driveaxle?
any other concerns that im sure ive missed that are somewhat basic trans knowledge feel free to post.

my real problem, the shift command on my 68 ambassador 290 has been slipping, not downshifting, and there was two times i can think of when i shifted without the engine running and there was a puddle the size of a soccer ball on the ground about 15 minutes later. but doesnt seem to leak steadily. i added fluid till it was full today and it didnt slip as bad, however its still bad, and not downshifting. i dont mind replacing parts, if i can find them. but id much rather go for a more modern/ time tested trans that has a good history of holding up, affordable under 5-600. 

i swapped a 350turbo trans into my 91 camaro and the trans shop did it in a day, it drove fantastic, and i never had any issues like the stock trans had given me.

all help is very appreciated!
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Ok not knowing if YOU are doing the work  (R&R of tranys) or if a shop will be doing all the work it will be hard to say what would be best for you but guessing seeing you had a shop do the other car’s trany going to say that is how you will go with this one?

The easiest and cheapest is to pull/rebuild the trany in the car now. You and the shop know it that all the parts are there now. If you go with a different trany say a late 727 you will need to get all the parts and what if something is not right like the rubber trany mount who will get the right part?

 

Now I know you asked what will bolt up to your motor. Well any v8 trany from your year on up to the end of AMC will bolt to the motor. The issue is the flex plate to crank & converter to crank & flex.

I would not go with a 998 (small car v8 trany) and never a 904 (used with 6 cly) in your heavy car. To get a 72 on up to work you need a flex that will work with the converter & be balance for your motor, Thing is there are none. So you would need to get a flex for any v8 motor using a 727 and have it match balance to your 290 flex. With that out of the way you need to buy an adapter that makes it possible to use the 727 flex & converter with the 290 flat crank. This can be gotten from the AMC venders.

Now you need to come up with a 727, it can come from any 72 on up car and Jeeps from think 75 on. It will most likely need to be rebuilt so we start off at this point the same as the trany in your car and get it rebuilt. If you started off with a Jeep one you will need to come up with the output shaft & housing. Oh don’t forget the get yoke that will work with the 727 output shaft and may need to have your drive shaft mod to fit the car. You will need all the T.V. linkage (kick down) or buy a cable and figure a way to hook it up to the carb. I think you can use your trany cross member just need to get the right rubber mount to use. Don’t forget the speedo cable going to need to get one made custom to work as I don’t know if the one you have will work or not.

 

As you can see a lot more to it than just bolt up a trany and go unless it is the one from the car.

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this sounds like an insane amount of work, and i will be doing it all myself. 

for some reason i must have been talking to the wrong people. " just throw a t-5 in it" or "350 turbo" has come up multiple times. i really dont want to rebuild the trans, but i will if its going to be easier than buying all this new gear just to make another crappy transmission work. how the heck are guys putting in aftermarkets transmissions or any other transmissions for that matter for under 2000 bones?
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Originally posted by xedge4lifex xedge4lifex wrote:

... " just throw a t-5 in it" or "350 turbo" has come up multiple times...
Likely from people who A: have never done it, or B: do this day in/day out for a living. My guess is it's "A".

It's not really difficult to do a 727, Turbo350, or a T5 swap. If you dig through some of the posts in this section or Member's Projects section, you will find a few threads. However, any swap will involve some fabrication. You need the right crossmember mounting point, speedo cable, kickdown linkage, torque converter and bell housing mounts... So it's not exactly straight forward either.

If you really want something more modern, a Turbo350 is about the same vintage as a BW auto. (BTW, the Ford FMX is a continuation of the BW auto design, so it has many similarities, but some differences as well).  A 200R4 or 700R4 would give you overdrive and there are adapters available to bolt one to your 290. However, you would still need to deal with the speedo cable, kickdown cable, rear mount, drive shaft, and possibly mod'ing the trans tunnel for extra clearance needed for the overdrive unit. Newer still would be the electronic automatics, but then you're also messing with the control unit as well.

If you want to go stick, a T-10 would be a fairly straight forward swap since the factory parts are out there. Anything else would mean the same sort of issues as the auto swaps.

If you're not good with fabrication, the simplest and cheapest solution would be to rebuild the trans you already have. If you don't mind doing the extra work required for a swap, then you need to do some reading first and decide which way to go.

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the turbo350 just seems to have a good history, plenty of parts and people who have worked on them, so lots of knowledge out there.
but again that sounds like im buying a new torque converter, maybe bellhousing, axle, mounts, and im sure some other odds and ends. so its either spend 1500 on a bunch of components to hopefully work, or try to dig up some parts that will fix my trans. im used to 70s honda bikes and 90s honda cars, transmissions are 150 bucks and you just bolt it up. 

any links or clues to replacement parts for a shift command or the borg warner trans? not sure what model shift command it is.

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Shift Command is a marketing name. What you will have is a Borg-Warner Model 40 for a 290 2V or a Model 11 for a 290 4V. There should be an ID tag on the left (driver's) side of the trans.

As I said previously, these transmissions are similar to the Ford FMX, but not exactly the same. I have read that rebuild kits for the FMX will have only some of the parts needed to rebuild the BW. Since these transmissions have not been produced for a few decades, parts don't just drop out of the sky. Volvo and Jaguar also used them around the same time as AMC.

You could try an ad in Wanted section. It's a long shot, but someone might have a trans ready to go.

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The 727 is not a bad trany and is stronger than the 350. You will also have the same issues of getting it to work with your motor or more so as it will not bolt up like the 727.

To run a GM trany you will need an adapter between motor & trany just to mate the 2. Then the crank adapter and everything like the 727 would need like the balance flex plate to work with a 350 converter.
The real issue is the early flat crank that your motor has. If it was the late style then the 727 bolts right up with NO adapters. If you had the late crank you could run a GM trany with just 1 adapter to bolt the GM trany to the AMC motor. You can also find flex plates for the right size motor if the late style.
If you could find a complete 360/727 you could drop that in and only deal with shift linkage, speedo, drive shaft.
Read some of the other posts on trany swaps for more info.
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