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DarkMonohue
AMC Fan Joined: May/08/2017 Location: Oregon Status: Offline Points: 28 |
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Buzzman, I'm glad you brought this up. I've been thinking of the same thing. You're on the right track.
It seems like some people here are fixated on trying to make a Chevy intake manifold fit an AMC, which is not what Buzzman is suggesting. He is talking about building a new lower intake manifold to which he can bolt GM TPI tubular runners and plenum. A fabricated lower intake manifold is the only big challenge. It would involve nothing more complicated than a few laser cut aluminum flanges and tubing. A couple of fuel rails (or stretched GM pieces) to match the different port spacing would pretty much take care of the fabrication. The advantage of GM TPI parts, other than being dirt cheap and abundant, is the very long intake runner. That long runner is ideal for building low-speed and mid-range torque. Most of the ideas presented here are overlooking the point, which (in my application) is to take advantage of the long runner. Maybe I'll make some time to lay out the intake manifold flange in CAD. Buzzman, if you end up pursuing this, let me know. I have an excellent machine shop supplier for small run parts like flanges. Edited by DarkMonohue - May/19/2017 at 9:58pm |
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Buzzman72
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Nice to see that somebody finally got my point.
Got a lot on my plate right now, so building a prototype would be a long ways off. But 2 flanges at the heads, 2 flanges for the upper intake tubes, injector bungs and fuel rails and 8 short tubes (plus the coolant tube and stat housing on the Gen2/3 engines, not needed on the Rambler V8) with a little welding skill,and you're in bidness. But I've taken enough of a whipping on this topic. |
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Buzzman72...void where prohibited, your mileage may vary, objects in mirror may be closer than they appear, and alcohol may intensify any side effects.
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DarkMonohue
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I'm in the same boat - too many ideas, too little time.
Let me know if you get closer to go time. I'd be happy to donate a little CAD time or other design services to get this off the ground. |
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nothingface5384
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DarkMonohue
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There are plenty of ways to replace any generic carburetor with an aftermarket fuel injection system on the same manifold. That's fine, but it is not what the OP and I are talking about.
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Boris Badanov
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Whipping? All I see is a lot of creative ideas!
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Buzzman72
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Yes, I've taken a whipping on this topic. If something goes awry in BFE with your Edelbrock or FITech system, you're stuck until the parts arrive. But if you're running GM parts, every Podunk garage known to man stocks GM parts. And DM is right about those long tubes that put the "tuned" in TPI. I'm not concerned with running
a 3000-to-7000 rpm range, I want to run an idle-to-4500 rpm range. I'm already looking at what tire size I'll need to run with the 4.11 Explorer rear under my AMC-powered '52 International with an overdrive automatic to get 25-26 mph per 1000 rpm in the top gear. The deep low gear of the 700R4 seems like a way to have my came and eat it to (or as close as it gets). Go to the Comp Cams downloadable cam dyno program, and play with the options. See what a 256/262 cam does on an AMC if you opt for a (heretofore nonexistent) TPI intake on the torque numbers. Then tell me again why my idea sucks. |
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Buzzman72...void where prohibited, your mileage may vary, objects in mirror may be closer than they appear, and alcohol may intensify any side effects.
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Boris Badanov
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Well, I agree with adapting the GM electronics and
as much of the GM hard ware as can be done. As I stated previously.... It will require a machine shop (job shop, not automotive) and a lot of creative adaptation. It is best to start with a AMC manifold that has the machining for injectors already done. The Chevy can not be adapted as is. The centerlines and head intake angles are all wrong, now the center plenum and manifold base have to be cut in half and stretched .75 inches to get the Siamesed intakes in the correct place, then machined and welded to the AMC base. A plug .75 long plenum filler must be machined or cut from an extra GM plenum and welded into the center plenum. A Lot of work but it can be done. A Chevrolet manifold simply can not be adapted. It is WAY too different. |
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Mopar_guy
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That's a point I've made on here several times but FI Tech and FAST do use off the shelf GM sensors on their systems. They're the only ones that I know of. As far as the ecm, well even a TPI ecm you won't find on a shelf but most any brand of ecm are pretty reliable these days. |
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Boris Badanov
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In 50 years you will still be able to get parts for a SBC.....
Agreed, adapting as much of the GM stuff as you can is an excellent idea. |
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