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    Posted: Jun/02/2012 at 6:51am
They should line up about the same. If they don't and you need more clearance it's not a big deal. The whole spindle can be spaced out more or you can use a spacer between the wheel and hub. I have the spindles spaced out on my car for clearance. I used a 1/2" grade 8 nut as a spacer between the caliper bracket and steering knuckle. That and one washer gives me about 5/8" spaced out.

I discussed this with and engineer. He wanted to see a bare spindle. After looking at that he said a round spacer would be fine since the spindles contact surfaces are just the portion around the bolt, you're just extending the original surface. He agreed that a nut and/or washers would be perfect as long as it was held tight. Longer grade 8 bolts will be needed, and don't forget to put them head out so there is no interference with the rotor. You want grade 8 nuts/washers because they are hard material and won't crush.

There are at least THREE different spindle thicknesses. Many six cylinders have 1/2" narrower drum brakes than V-8s and have a bit thinner spindle base -- so that's two. Disc brakes have their own spindle, making three. There may be others too. Except for clearance between the spindle and tire or wheel there is usually no problem interchanging the brakes. If you keep stock wheels even that's not a problem. The only reason I had to space mine out (63 Classic six with 79 Spirit six discs) is because I needed deep offset wheels to run a Jag IRS and wanted to run the same wheels on both ends. My wheels have 2" more offset than stock (5.5" backset 7" wheels, normal 7" would have 3.5" backset) but I only had to space the spindle 5/8" out to have plenty clearance. Of course the big car spring seats are higher than the small car trunnions -- the lower end of the spring is just above the tire, not right beside it.


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From what I understood, the pad was thicker on the rotor spindle due to the wheel mounting pad on the rotor was further towards the inside than the drum face.
 
I thought they both lined up the same but that might just be jav drum to Jav disc and not the later stuff.
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Yes the spindles have different pads but the hubs or should I say bearing assy. are also different to take this in to acount.
IIRC there are only 2 different pad thickness drums being the thicker and think it was only about a 1/4" each side.
Now I have not measured either of my swaps both on 70 Javelins, 1 from drum to 76 Gremlin, the other 4 piston disc to 83 Concord disc to see if the track changed or not.
With mine and all the others done I have not heard of any one having issues with a track change when done.
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Owwww, that's not good. I won't have enough clearance b/w tire and me trunnions.
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if switching to disk brakes in would narrow your tire track . 1/2" per side
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Originally posted by farna farna wrote:

What you really mean is does the front tread change -- the distance from the center of one front tire to the center of the other. YES -- that will change by as much as 1/2" (more) on each side. It doesn't affect handling or steering geometry -- not enough to matter anyway. Front end alignment specs will be the same. 
 
Not worried about alignment, more like tire clearance. Which way does it effect it, wider track or narrower?
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What you really mean is does the front tread change -- the distance from the center of one front tire to the center of the other. YES -- that will change by as much as 1/2" (more) on each side. It doesn't affect handling or steering geometry -- not enough to matter anyway. Front end alignment specs will be the same. 
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Originally posted by kellysguy kellysguy wrote:

O.K, I get you can swap any spindle on any AMC, however; how does that effect wheels offset? They all can't locate the wheel in the same exact spot can they? How does that work out?
 
One thing to keep in mind. The spindle pad (mounting flange) thickness is different between disc and drum brakes. The spindle flange on a drum brake set up is thicker than the disc brake spindle flange.  
 
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Great, thanks.
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Originally posted by kellysguy kellysguy wrote:


Originally posted by FuzzFace2 FuzzFace2 wrote:

It could locate in the same spot by using a different hub offset.
Short spindle could have a hub the puts the wheel to the outside

Long spindle could have a hub the puts the wheel to the inside

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I think you missunderstood my question. I'll be more specific. All AMC spindles can't possibly have the same wheel offest, right? If you put '82 Spirit discs and spindles on a '68 Javelin, how will that effect wheel offset? Will it be the same or different?


Spirit brakes on my 69, never changed the position of anything that I've noticed.
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