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    Posted: May/05/2012 at 12:20pm
I have a set of KB pistons listed in the for sale section that would work for you.
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You would normally deck the block to square it up anyway plus the are only .008 shorter than stock so I am not sure I would say "some Wiseco" pistons. They are and excellent off the shelf option at a great price and will give you the same static compression as stock if you go .030 overbore which most engines need.
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Getting back to the pistons, I didn't plan on getting my block decked to run some wiesco pistions. I would be fine with a cr of 10:1 or 9:5:1. I'm installing this 401 in a 66 rogue with a close ratio T10 for primarly street use, by no means I want to cheap out on it (rambler mentality)but I don't want to go overkill.

 

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 Based on those numbers I would give the edge to the ported iron heads if using a valve opening of .600. Some of those Crane heads produced mid 10 second ET's. I may have to settle for 11.80's, but that's fine provided it's consistant. I've had an ongoing rivelry with a cousin for years, he's wanting to branch off into nitrous oxide and I don't care to join in. So a more trouble free approach is in my future once I've done my best to achieve a 9.99.  
 
 Now lets get back to the OP's questions, I posted to give him an idea of what pistons and CR I feel are good for his goals. Now that I know where Bulltear's pistons come from, I wouldn't be leary of them either. Naterally there are lots of choices, but those are two that are budget friendly.
 
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Originally posted by SKeown SKeown wrote:

 
 It's a stick shift 3300# car that years back ran 11.30's with a 10:1 395" solid flat tapit motor. So I figure being the whole car has been worked out better since I can get the 11.50's with less power via unported Eddy heads and Eddy dual plane AirGap. From what I can gather the out of box Eddy heads outflow the Crane prepped 69 S/S heads? 
 
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Good question. 
 
Ken Parkman flowed some S/S 558's and came up with:
 
Ken_Parkman on Mar 29th, 2004, 12:06am wrote:
Ran across an original set of the SS/AMX heads, casting 3188558. Or at least they are supposed to be original, they were supposed to have come off a car that started a conversion to a comp style car, but never got finished. It is supposed to be in a garage somewhere a few hours from here, sometime I will have to go hunting. They look right, but who knows for sure. Seeing as I am a kid with a new toy I put one on the flowbench - my buddy says I would flow the kitchen toaster if I thought I could learn something. If anyone is curious here are the numbers:

Lift/Intake/Exhaust/Exhaust with stub

.100 69.6 57.2 58.2
.200 153.8 100.3 106.9
.300 206.5 129.3 142.2
.400 242.1 146.0 161.4
.500 239.5 151.8 172.0
.600 246.0 159.5 180.9
.700 248.2 167.2 190.5
Here's what I found for stock Edelbrocks (believe the #'s are from Edelbrock):
.100 lift, intake 65 cfm,   exhaust 52  cfm
.200 lift, intake 130 cfm, exhaust 96  cfm
.300 lift, intake 192 cfm, exhaust 127cfm
.400 lift, intake 235 cfm, exhaust 163 cfm
.500 lift, intake 258 cfm, exhaust 182 cfm
.600 lift, intake 260 cfm, exhaust 190 cfm

 

Looks like the S/S heads are better until you hit about .400 lift.  Caveat - these weren't flowed on the same flow benches, so take this with a grain of salt.  Just like dyno's, some flow benches are more optimistic than others...
 
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 It's a stick shift 3300# car that years back ran 11.30's with a 10:1 395" solid flat tapit motor. So I figure being the whole car has been worked out better since I can get the 11.50's with less power via unported Eddy heads and Eddy dual plane AirGap. From what I can gather the out of box Eddy heads outflow the Crane prepped 69 S/S heads? 
 
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Originally posted by SKeown SKeown wrote:

 
 I just got a std bore 401 block and std crank, they'll be used for the flat tapit engine replacing my current engine once my performance goal is achieved. It will consist of Wiseco -27cc pistons, K1 rods, Eddy heads and air gap manifold. By decking the block .010 and surfacing the heads .005 that combo will produce 10.2:1 compression with .045 gaskets. I figure it will make a consistant mid 11 second bracket/street engine that won't require yearly maintenance and be tame enough on the street.
 
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Sounds interesting.  Sorry for the hijack, but care to elaborate on the rest of that combo?  Cam?  Ported Eddy heads or stock?  Torker intake?  750 dp?  11's with auto trans, 10" converter?  What does the car weigh?
 
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 I just got a std bore 401 block and std crank, they'll be used for the flat tapit engine replacing my current engine once my performance goal is achieved. It will consist of Wiseco -27cc pistons, K1 rods, Eddy heads and air gap manifold. By decking the block .010 and surfacing the heads .005 that combo will produce 10.2:1 compression with .045 gaskets. I figure it will make a consistant mid 11 second bracket/street engine that won't require yearly maintenance and be tame enough on the street.
 
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Wiseco off the shelf 401 pistons are a great value particularly when considering they come with pins and rings and are excellent quality. Just remember that they are 1.500 compression height which is .008 shorter than stock so if you want to retain the .002 deck height you will need to take .008 of the top of the block.

At .030 over and if you take .010 off the block to have zero deck, compression will be at 10.38 which due to the flat top piston design and zero deck, seems to be compatible with premium pump gas. Your dynamic compression ratio, which is directly impacted by the cam specs, should stay in the mid 8s range.

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Here is the wiesco pistons I went with, and the only reason I went with them over others, is the rings were included already.
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