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Topic: egge pistonsPosted: Apr/04/2012 at 10:15am |
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Egge makes the dished piston as well as the flat top piston for the 290 engine. The dished piston would be part number L2247, and the flat top would be L2340. The flat top set is $329 and the dished set is $299.
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Posted: Apr/03/2012 at 7:10pm |
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I'm thinking of going away from the 290 for the simple fact I can spend the same amount of cash and have a way better motor. I notice 401 engine parts are about the same as 360's but your spending alot more for a 401 core then a 360. My orginal plan was to stay with a Gen2 motor 343 or 390 but parts aren't ready avaiable either for those motors also like the 290.
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Posted: Apr/03/2012 at 11:26am |
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Take a piston to the machine shop and have them see what they can find that's close. I know some people have mentioned 305 or 307 Chevy pistons, and the 258 or 4.0L pistons. 199/232/258 pistons fit the same bore as the 290 -- 3.75". 4.0L pistons are 3.875". The 290 can be bored 0.100" safely. Most will say it can be bored 0.125", but I'd have it checked for anything over 0.100" just to be sure. I don't think you can get flat top 199 pistons any more. I don't know what the pin ehight is on the 232/258 pistons, or the dish, but they might be usable and a lot cheaper.
You don't want the 10:1 compression, not unless you plan on running premium all the time. I'd keep it at 8.0-8.5:1 and get a little more power with a torque (towing/RV) cam and a better intake and carb. For street performance the Edelbrock Performer cam/intake/carb package works good. You might want to check around and see what you can get a 360 core for. The 360 is the most common AMC V-8, used through 1991 in Grand Wagoneers (check all big Jeeps! 75% will have a 360 in them). The trans you have will hold up okay to a stock 360 in a cruiser. Not much you can do to beef up the M-4x auto though, so I wouldn't go racing with it or build the engine much if you go that route. |
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Posted: Apr/03/2012 at 12:47am |
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The problem is that there was never much demand for 290 parts. Even back in the day, Most would never bother building a 290 when a 343 or 390 was a bolt in swap.
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Steve Brown
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Posted: Apr/03/2012 at 12:14am |
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The machine shop I go to woundn't even ream the ridge out, he said there would be a chance you can damage the cylinder wall doing that and you would end up boring it anyhow. I've been looking everywhere for 290 pistons, the best deal on cast ones I found was egge. I also tried finding a master kit for a 290 with no luck.
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Posted: Apr/02/2012 at 11:45pm |
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With new pistons and rings you will almost certainly hit the ridge. Thats a lot of metal to try to remove with a hone. You may be able to get a machine shop to hone the ridge off with a rigid hone but the pistons are going to be real loose. Around here a bore and hone job is about $125.00 and the tanking of the block would be anothe $75.00 or so. You should be able to get the bare minimum machine work done for around $250.00 total without the heads. You should be able to get stock pistons from Autozone for around $200.00 and another $50.00 for the rings. You may be better off getting a master kit off the internet for around $400.00 that includes all the hard parts. The one I'm doing now will cost me about $1000.00 total and I had most of gaskets and timing parts on hand. A very cheap and quick re-ring may be a thing of the past.
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Posted: Apr/02/2012 at 11:25pm |
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The motor in my car now is burning a good amount of oil and fouling out plugs. I bought a 290 in a package deal with some other parts. I just wanted to do a quick rebuild and ad some performance(cam 4barrel carb, maifold, 71 304 heads with slightly bigger valves). The ridges in the holes were between 6 and 8 with the exception of the rear hole around 10 thosandths. I don't plan on racing at the track, I just want a streetable car with some performance but I don't want to waste money buy throwing it at a 290 either as of now I have no real money into the motor.
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Posted: Apr/02/2012 at 9:31pm |
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Nothing wrong with the cast pistons but they are only available in slightly under stock compression. If you re-use the originals, make sure there is no or only minimal(.002) ridge at the top of the cylinder. Pay ver close attention to 8, as that one runs the hottest and typically sees the most wear. If you run new rings they will smack against this ridge and pop the top land off the piston. I have honed out this ridge before and run new rings. But the engine I'm working on now has too much ridge in just that one cylinder to be safe. I'm going to bore this one and use new pistons. If the ridge is minimal you may be o.k. Providing it can be removed. You re-ring will not last very long though, maybe 40-50,000 miles at best. Why are you rebuilding it and what is the mileage on it?
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Posted: Apr/02/2012 at 6:06pm |
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Yea bulltear's like 600$ and egge's like 350$. I'm still thinking of re using the old slugs, everything came out good on specs, but if I have low compression pistons I don't want to re use them.
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Posted: Apr/02/2012 at 5:43pm |
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I have Egge pistons on my 327. I've put around 4,500 miles on the engine since the rebuilt. Haven't had any problems. I'm not racing it mind you, but I do let her stretch her legs a bit on the highway.
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