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MickyVee
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Topic: 232 UpgradePosted: Mar/25/2012 at 7:09pm |
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Hello All!
I'm new to this forum after only just finding it. I've been restoring a 1967 Rambler 440 for about the past 7 years. It's pretty much done, i have left the origional 232 engine in there for the mean time but am having thoughts to change it to something bigger.. i have heard good things about the 232 make but like i said im just having thoughts about it at the moment as i would like to use the smaller motor to use for a bit of travelling to save on fuel.... If anyone has done an upgrade or could tell me what could be an easy upgrade it would be greatfully appreciated.... Cheers |
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Posted: Mar/25/2012 at 8:16pm |
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My 67 convertible with a 232 gets over 20 mpg, and a sedan will be better. On the other hand, my 68 has a 360/727 and is not bad on gas if driven gently; I seldom do that. It will pass almost anything except a gas station if driven like I stole it.
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Posted: Mar/27/2012 at 8:36pm |
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The very best thing you can do to an AMC six is swap the factory cam for a good low speed torque cam. That will gain you some power AND gas mileage. AMC was real conservative with the cams. The next thing you want to do is find an early 2V intake. By "early" I mean 64-71. The carbs used are a bit hard to find in real good condition, but you can adapt to a Holley 2300 (350 cfm) or something similar. A two-stage Weber is a popular choice. Check Jeep sites for 232 carb upgrades.
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Posted: Mar/27/2012 at 10:16pm |
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Hey Farna
I went to this website i've found, i think some of these items are what your explaining to me. If so which one would you recommend? http://www.crower.com/camshafts/amc.html Cheers |
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Posted: Mar/28/2012 at 5:26pm |
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For a street car go with part number 44242. That will net you a noticeable increase in low end power and get good gas mileage. AMC six cylinder cars are usually geared to cruise in the 2000-2500 rpm range (around 60-65 @ 2250 rpm). Over 3000 rpm will drop mileage (actually it's over 65-70 mph) considerably no matter what cam you have. It's overcoming wind resistance above 65-70 that's the problem. So gear and/or adjust tire size to cruise at about 70 @ 2400 rpm or so and you should have an economical cruiser. There are gear and tire size calculators at www.4lo.com (easy site to remember, there are others). See what difference just changing one tire series (like from a 70 down to a 65 series, same width) makes!
The 44243 wouldn't be bad, but the description does read for "spirited driving". Torque starts coming in @ 1500 rpm, which isn't too bad for a street motor, but you'll like the off-idle torque of the 44242 much better. I do like the split duration of the Crower cams much better than the same duration for intake and exhaust. The AMC six seems to like the split duration a lot better. If I'd thought to look at Crower when I built my last six I would have seriously considered that 44242 for myself! Edited by farna - Mar/28/2012 at 5:58pm |
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Posted: Mar/28/2012 at 6:15pm |
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Ok cheers for the advice.
I've also had the thought of changing the whole engine and driveline to a 350 chev or something along those lines but im not sure how the conversion would go? Are there some post on here regarding that, i've had a browse but found nothing that talks alot about a conversion... I've also been told that i could probably buy some mounting conversion brackets to suit the chev as it was a popular change for the rambler..true?? Cheers |
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Posted: Mar/28/2012 at 7:20pm |
Bite your tongue. No, there's no mounting conversion brackets to ease putting a sbc in it. Though Bulltear does make brackets to convert a 6 cyl crossmember to a AMC V8.
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Posted: Mar/29/2012 at 6:10am |
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Mickey, you're in Newcastle... Delaware (US)??
You can put any drivetrain in you want. It's your car. This is, however, an AMC forum dedicated to driving/restoring/preserving AMC vehicles, so AMC drivetrains, even when not original to that model car (say a late model in an early Rambler) is preferred. So you'll get a lot of negative reaction to installing a "foreign" drivetrain. You'll get some help from a few of us (like myself) who understand the reasons one may want to do that, but not from the majority. That's just the way it goes. Go to a Ford forum and tell them you'd like some help putting a Chevy 350 drivetrain in a Fairmont or Granada and you'll get the same results. No, the SBC (small block Chevy) ISN'T a "popular" change for the Rambler. SBCs and other V-8s have been put in many other cars, including Ramblers. By far the most popular V-8 conversion is to a late model AMC V-8. Using other engines is getting to be more popular as AMC V-8s (and especially 2WD transmissions) are getting harder to find -- harder in some areas than others. If you do put a different make V-8 in go ahead and go with a modern fuel injected engine. At least that makes a little more sense because there is no such AMC animal. Yes, an AMC V-8 can be modernized in such a manner, but it would be costly using aftermarket parts. It could be done a bit cheaper using salvaged parts from other makes, but that's not for the novice. You can get a full SBC drivetrain from a wreck with the computer, wiring, and all for a reasonable price and go. Or a 5.0L Ford, or Chrysler, etc. It's about as much work to swap one as the other. The AMC drivetrain, by contrast, can literally bolt in as the late AMC V-8 was an option in those cars (the first of the late model AMC V-8s came out in late 1966 in the American, last one in 1991 in the Jeep Grand Wagoneer). |
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Posted: Mar/29/2012 at 10:29am |
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I've seen one with a factory 343 and 4 speed manual T10.
I looked at a Jaguar once. When the guy lifted the hood and I saw the sbc my interest was gone immediately.
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Posted: Mar/29/2012 at 10:45am |
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I think it was 66 that the 343 was offered for a short time. Few Americans left the factory with the 343 due to concerns about the chassis twisting on hard launches (it did!). The 69 SC/Rambler (390 V-8) had a stiffened chassis. The hardtop SC bodies had most of the convertible bracing installed (if not all) to combat twisting. Some could be installed in the older body. The converts had thicker inner rockers and thicker braces behind the rear seat. The rear seat brace was just doubled, I don't know for sure about the inner rockers, but they were most likely just double thickness as well. There may have been more things stiffened for the converts/SC, I'm not sure.
vinny -- you've never priced rebuilding a Jag 4.2L OHC six... let's not even talk about the V-12!! That's actually a very common swap (at least in the US) , with at least one company still making conversion kits (http://www.jagsthatrun.com/Pages/Jaguar_V-8.html). They have some Chevy V-8 swap parts that would come in handy for someone contemplating a late model EFI SBC engine swap. Edited by farna - Mar/29/2012 at 10:55am |
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