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    Posted: Mar/21/2008 at 2:31pm
Originally posted by farna farna wrote:

A simpler setup may be the cable from Lokar. It's not cheap, but several people have used it and it's much neater and easier than the linkage. Most hot-rod shops can get it. Will be listed as a Chrysler cable, of course, but fits AMC model TFs just fine. 


The replacement tranny came with a Lokar throttle pressure cable-----thus far it has been a royal PITA getting it to 'interface' with the bellcrank throttle linkage.
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A simpler setup may be the cable from Lokar. It's not cheap, but several people have used it and it's much neater and easier than the linkage. Most hot-rod shops can get it. Will be listed as a Chrysler cable, of course, but fits AMC model TFs just fine. 
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Got the engine running today; it sounds good (no smoke, etc).

Installed the driveshaft and may have a handle on sorting out the throttle pressure cable.


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I used a generic Chevrolet transmission mount; elongated the two top holes to line up with the mtg holes in the tailshaft and shimmed it away from the tranny using a 3/8" steel spacer made from two 3/16th's plates stacked together.

On the crossmember; I simply notched the existing holes and 'relieved' the one edge of it where ith was fouling the speedo gear 'hump' in the tailshaft.

The modified mount/crossmember now fit like a glove.

The radiator that came on the car was from a 1970's Hornet so it had the tranny cooler built in. The donor transmission came with hard lines so I simply extended 'em using steel tubing and compression couplings.

Driveshaft; come to find out, was 2" too long (at least the yoke and rear U joint were correct), it is being modified as needed and will be stabbed in tomorrow.

I need to get a Mopar style speedo gear and matching cable.

Which leaves me figuring out the gear shifter rod and the kickdown for last.


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The linkage shouldn't be a problem. Horizontal or vertical isn't an issue -- works either way as long as nothing interferes with shift rod movement under the car. What you need to be concerned about is the LENGTH of the shift arm on the transmission. From the center pivot point on the trans to the center of the hole for the rod needs to be the same on BOTH transmission for the shift quadrant to be correct. If the TF arm is longer, the shifter will move past the quadrant on both ends, if shorter it won't move as far. In either case the pointer won't line up. The "clicks" are in the trans, not the shifter, so you can still shift by counting the "clicks" as you move the shift lever. I don't even have a quadrant on mine, the column came from a car with the quadrant in the dash. I just put it in gear by feel -- easy to get the hang of once you drive it a few times (even my wife can drive it!), and it's a good theft deterrent too -- no one knows how to shift unless you tell them! That narrows the possible thiefs down a good bit... 
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Originally posted by Wrambler Wrambler wrote:

Originally posted by 1967AmericanSW 1967AmericanSW wrote:

OK: any thoughts on how I can hook up the gear shifter rod? The BW 35 had a vertical level on the case whereas my replacement tranny has the stereotypical Mopar style horizontal one.

 

   How about getting the linkage from a 72up Hornet?

It "should" do the trick if your trans came from a column shift car.

   You might still have to tinker with it.

Lokar makes some "generic" shift linkage stuff for column shifters too.


Looks like a trip to Pick-A-Part is in the cards for this Saturday-----there may be a Concord/Eagle or two left from which I can pirate the linkage as well as a Mopar speedo pinion.

I will keep everyone posted on what transpires.
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Originally posted by 1967AmericanSW 1967AmericanSW wrote:

OK: any thoughts on how I can hook up the gear shifter rod? The BW 35 had a vertical level on the case whereas my replacement tranny has the stereotypical Mopar style horizontal one.
 
   How about getting the linkage from a 72up Hornet?
It "should" do the trick if your trans came from a column shift car.
   You might still have to tinker with it.
Lokar makes some "generic" shift linkage stuff for column shifters too.
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Originally posted by Wrambler Wrambler wrote:

Originally posted by 1967AmericanSW 1967AmericanSW wrote:

Originally posted by poormansMACHINE poormansMACHINE wrote:

Should fit. The BW has the Ford style gear end.
The transmission that is going in is a 1972 TorqueCommand with its Mopar speedo drive. Any idea for a tranny mount? The original crossmember lies directly under the 904 tailshaft mount boss. As for a speedometer cable; would a 1972+ Hornet, etc. one fit my 1967 American speedometer head?

 

My AMC T5 used chrysler speedo setup too.

I used a 73 Hornet cable it fit perfect.

For a mount I just bought a generic GM trans mount and modified it till it cleared the stock crossmember.

I had to do some clearance work on both the sides of the mount and the crossmember needed clearanced too.

  It took a bit of fiddling with, but ended up working perfectly.

The two long slots in the bottom of the stock crossmember are now used to bolt the mount to the crossmember. No welding at all. Just grind trim, test fit, grind trim, test fit. The slots were not flat but bulged downward so I also hammered them flat.

  Hope this helps,


I was leaning towards GM mount as well after looking in my motor mount catalog.

OK: any thoughts on how I can hook up the gear shifter rod? The BW 35 had a vertical level on the case whereas my replacement tranny has the stereotypical Mopar style horizontal one.
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Originally posted by 1967AmericanSW 1967AmericanSW wrote:

Originally posted by poormansMACHINE poormansMACHINE wrote:

Should fit. The BW has the Ford style gear end.


The transmission that is going in is a 1972 TorqueCommand with its Mopar speedo drive.

Any idea for a tranny mount? The original crossmember lies directly under the 904 tailshaft mount boss.

As for a speedometer cable; would a 1972+ Hornet, etc. one fit my 1967 American speedometer head?
 
My AMC T5 used chrysler speedo setup too.
I used a 73 Hornet cable it fit perfect.
For a mount I just bought a generic GM trans mount and modified it till it cleared the stock crossmember.
I had to do some clearance work on both the sides of the mount and the crossmember needed clearanced too.
  It took a bit of fiddling with, but ended up working perfectly.
The two long slots in the bottom of the stock crossmember are now used to bolt the mount to the crossmember. No welding at all. Just grind trim, test fit, grind trim, test fit. The slots were not flat but bulged downward so I also hammered them flat.
  Hope this helps,
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I think the Hornet cable will fit the head. Unfortunately you won't know for sure until you pull it.  I'm pretty sure it will though -- the older (63 and earlier) cars are different, but I'm pretty sure the 67 is the same as later ones.

I had the same problem when mounting my AW4. I bolted a 1/4" thick plate to the trans and drilled and tapped it for two 3/8" fine thread bolts. I use a stud type shock end cushion between the plate and BW style crossmember then another cushion between the bolt head and crossmember. You might want to use a stud in the plate, or run a screw through the plate from the top if there's room between the trans and plate. You'd have to drop the crossmember, but studs would be easier to work with if you go the shock cushion route. You can get shock end cushions from the HELP! section, or you can use sway bar end links. I wouldn't use poly cushions though, they are hard and almost like bolting up solid.
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