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purple72Gremlin
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Topic: What brand/PN spark plugs 4 a stock Pacer 258 2BBLPosted: Nov/20/2009 at 9:43pm |
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And I believe that Champion makes more varieties of plugs than any other plug maker.
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Posted: Nov/20/2009 at 8:50pm |
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There were/are a good selection of spark plugs available to car manufactures to use. In some respects the available plugs would dictate head design, but not to any great extent due to the diverse availability. If for some reason, a head design required a special plug not already offered, the car manufacturer could probably get a custom design produced (for a fee). But more than likely, AMC's frugal ways dictated the use of off-the-shelf parts.
It's likely AMC had a long term pricing agreement with Champion. Otherwise you would have seen frequent brand changes due to tendering every time they needed a batch of plugs rather than use of one brand year after year. |
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Posted: Nov/20/2009 at 3:37pm |
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Gents What I am saying is the company used is from what ever company that answered the bid order of a item. As you know, the spec's of a item is in the bid order. ( This part is from the Accounting Department, not the designers. )
The later use of AC, NGK or whatever make is all mute if the same spec of spark plug is
correctly used for whatever reason of the
driver's need's.
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So you are saying the spec's of the spark plug
design and location has nothing to do with the
head design when the heads are in the design/
developement phase of their life to be.
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Posted: Nov/20/2009 at 2:48pm |
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Uh, go back to the drawing board? Been there, got my degree in automotive mechanics and design....
Over the decades many a special plug was made to the engine makers specifications.......... so it wasn't always limited to what the plug makers produced or wanted to produce. - you are stating that their engines for many years revolved around the spark plugs available? I have my doubts - from where do you get this info? Speculation or knowledge? Heads and chamber shapes and plug placement was determined not by what the plug makers offered that year, but by design needs, obviously within certain quidelines - they aren't going to change the thread diameter and pitch on a whim and there were limits to what could be requested, but within size standards, etc - they had some latitude. But reach, heat range, etc. - that was the automaker, not the plug maker. IMO, if what you claim fits, then AMC could have used Champion for 5 or 6 years, then when they went to a different design, move to AC, then autolite, then NGK, etc. since heat range needs changed, among other things. Besides, we were not speaking of reach and thread pitch, we were talking heat range and brand. Different topics. Champion were the original plug, start with the original heat range. |
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Posted: Nov/20/2009 at 2:35pm |
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Bill
Go back to the "drawing board".
As the heads where being planned out, the
engineers made a thought of having the
spark plug hole a certin diameter and lenght
because of what sizes of spark plugs were
being made by the mfg's. This information
on the spark plug hole and location was given
to the Head Mfg'r.
Some where in the same time a bid order
request was announced for spark plugs. One
of the spark plug mfgr's did the I do/I will for
spark plugs of that spec and that many.
This is why a company uses whatever brand
spark plug that you see.
The cross chart information already given is
very nice info to know since mistakes happen.
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Posted: Nov/16/2009 at 11:31am |
Yeah, I sure remember those 283's-----------I had one in a '67 chevelle, 283 3spd...............drank a quart in 50 miles.............and had 8 "non foulers" --remember those things???? a joke.
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We used to convert a lot of 6v vehicles and tractors. Got the 8v batteries, reset the regulators.
On others, we upgraded to a full 12v system. Most tractors we did that to. Man, those 6v starters really whirred! Dad's old 52 Ford cranked really slowly, but was a sure-starter most of the time. I'm thinking that Impala was a 283.............. I can still visualize the oil film on all his glass.......... and the black back bumper. (oil) |
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Posted: Nov/16/2009 at 10:41am |
yea, I think they did it so the 6v could roll it over fast enough to start... it's pretty cool tho. the engine 'winds down' when it's shut off, but it will also fire up on the 2nd or 3rd crank... a '63 Impala would have at least 8:1 compression, for whichever engine it had... I had to use the ATF every other week for the Rambler. it only pulled 10 HG but it would go down to 6 HG when it needed the ATF.. odlly enough, it was always quick starting. within a crank and the choke was disconnected Edited by matt167 - Nov/16/2009 at 10:42am |
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I had champions in the 304 in the AMX, and they were fouled, replaced them with AC's been in the car with no issues for 5 years now. but thats my one engine. I have run champions in lawnmowers and other cars......BUT, when I have a GM car I usually run AC's and on Ford, I run motorcraft.............but then on chrysler and AMC, champions were the factory plug..................
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