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dkrtgood
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Posted: Jan/17/2018 at 6:03pm |
We have 2 timing covers, one that is good at the water pump but scored pretty bad in oil pump cavity.
Second (Pictured) has a clean oil pump cavity but appears there is some pitting where the water pump runs and I am curious if anyone has had issues or a fix to allow us to use this case. Trying to use a factory case as we have heard many bad things about the aftermarket omix pieces and currently bulltear is out of stock on his cases....so if this is unusable we will be looking for one for this build. Thanks in advance |
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Dave Goodwin
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Boris Badanov
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corrosion and cavitation.
If it don't leak, just use it. |
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billd
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Yup - what he said. Could be past coolant mixes were left alone too long, or no antifreeze was used, etc. Also cavitation can be involved - AMC had quite a technical article out back in the day about proper antifreeze mixes, cavitation and such and included tech info about the freezing and boiling points, the causes of cavitatio, corrosion and so on. Apparently they had some that went all the way through and ended up with coolant in the oil........ anyway, if it doesn't leak, use it. Check the gasket surfaces for pitting or destruction and if they are ok, I'd check the pits out with a fine pick and make sure there's no aluminum oxide plugging holes or near-holes but use it unless you see red flags - AND, I'd keep good coolant mix in it and keep watch for sludge, signs that the anti-corrosion elements are shot in the coolant, that sort of thing. |
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farna
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Wouldn't hurt to coat the inside with something like an epoxy paint. If the cover has been thoroughly cleaned (looks like it!) the paint will stick and not cause an issue. Maybe Glyptol?
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6PakBee
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Agreed. I've seen small block Mopars with Grand Canyons in the timing cover, especially around the coolant holes, run successfully. Beadblast all the corrosion out and then keep on top of the anti-freeze. |
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Roger Gazur
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billd
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Ditto on beadblasting, removing all corrosion/oxidation. It helps you to see just how things are, and it's always wise to remove anyway to help prevent future growth.
I need to find that AMC paper again, it was actually interesting and cool - coming from AMC as a technical "study" instead of a "we have a problem" sort of thing. |
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dkrtgood
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Thanks guys for the input, bulltear actually has the avail so we bought one and will keep this one as a backup.
Appreciate the help! |
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Dave Goodwin
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Lyle
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Electrolysis is the big killer of aluminum exposed to contaminated coolant, have a read:
http://www.rondavisradiators.com/tech.htm Belzona, Loctite and a few others make epoxies that are 98%+ aluminum and expand with the casting. I've used these even on the gasket surfaces and have had no leak issues. I glass bead the casting first and epoxy immediately as aluminum oxide forms with seconds when exposed to air. |
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billd
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That's why when plating aluminum or performing other "finishing" techniques on it you must treat it to prevent that oxidation.
New parts are often treated - alternator castings, for example, aren't as bare or plain as you might expect.
Frankly, if it's cleaned, kept dry, and a GOOD mix of the proper coolant added and kept fresh and clean you won't have issues. Hundreds of engine have been put together with covers like that without issue - MOPAR, AMC, etc. - get it clean, keep it clean and dry, and use it. But don't use plain water....... |
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White70JavelinSST
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Another coating possibility is Glyptol.
It's a tried and proven coating to isolate porosity from the electric motor industry. |
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