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apollotaki
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Posted: Dec/21/2017 at 8:48am |
HELP!!! I recently tried to time my 1959 OHV six cylinder. I connected the timing light, highlighted the timing marks and tried to align it with 5 degrees BTDC. Every time I turned the distributor to approach 5BTDC, the car would stall out well before I approached the mark. What's going on? I know just enough to be dangerous. This is probably an easy fix. Any suggestions?
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farna
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There is a very good chance that the balancer has slipped, making the timing marks unusable.
The best thing to do is set it "by ear". Set it where it runs good, then go out and find a hill. Accelerate up the hill. If it "pings", turn timing down a little and try again. Repeat until it runs good but no ping pulling the hill. You might have to reset it when the weather changes. Generally if you set it in cold weather it will be fine for warm, but set it in warm weather and you may have to turn it down a bit when it gets cold. This gives you the most advance you can run on the fuel you are using though. |
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pacerman
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To determine if the outer ring of the balancer has slipped out of place, pull the number one spark plug and crank the engine by hand and hold your thumb over that spark plug hole until the compression tries to push your thumb away. That is the compression stroke for that cylinder. Insert a screwdriver in that hole and slowly turn the crank until the piston is at the top of that stroke. If you have the valve cover off you will see that both the valves for that cylinder are closed. At the top of that stroke the timing mark on your balancer should be opposite the little pointer on the timing chain cover. If it is not, you can see that the balancer has slipped and you can probably estimate the number of degrees it has moved. If you send that balancer to be rebuilt, mark the inner and outer rings with a chisel at approximately where they should be not where the are. Two rebuilders are Damper Dudes and Damper Doctor in CA. That balancer is also available as a reproduction part from the major AMC vendors. Joe
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First_Gear
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Also realize your car was built during the octane wars when lead was still used to boost ratings. Today's gasoline is a lower octane than it was in 1959 and the old factory timing settings may no longer apply. Make sure you disconnect and plug the vacuum advance on the dizzy before you set timing too. When you have it timed right readjust the idle speed and mixture.
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tomj
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did you pull hose off the distributor's vacuum advance and plug it first? that'll mess you up good if you don't! vacuum advance, depending on how it's plumbed (which can be a protracted religious argument, ported vs. manifold :-) when working will add 10 - 15 degrees of additional advance... the usual way is to pull/plug hose, set base timing, reattach hose. depending on plumbing as above, the actual advance could increase a lot. but absolutely, do the checks for the slipped balancer... it's made in two pieces, the bolt-on hub, and an outer heavy ring that has the pulley groove and the marks. between them is (was! lol :-) rubber. it goes bad. |
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apollotaki
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Thanks to all who gave me advice on my timing issues. I'll try all the tips and see what happens.
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Otro problema que tengo es con mi diferencial dana 44 , el problema es que la flecha que esta posterior lado del conductor, se me ha salido varias veces, he conseguido la que supuestamente lleva que es de 31 3/4" pero por el lado de los satelites veo que le falta al menos 5/8 para llegar a cubrirlo, otra cosa que tiene es que el juego axial es de aproximadamente 3/13 y eso que compre el juego de rodamientos timken set 10 y se me ocurrio poner una arandela antes de la copa en el housin lo cual redujo por completo ese juego hacia afuera , mi duda es , sera conveniente sacar esa arandela entre el housin y la tasa del balero y ponersela de algun modo entre la placa de ajuste del eje y el reten del balero ???? ayuda por favor
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farna
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For the rest of us, here is the Google translation... which is far from perfect...
HELLO I AM COMPLETELY NEW ON THE SITE AND I WISH GUIDANCE AND HELP FROM YOU EXPERTS, |
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Frank Swygert
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