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oilspot
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Posted: Aug/10/2017 at 8:47pm |
After own g and enjoying a 1962 Classic for the last 7 years, I've encountered a seemingly insurmountable obstacle. The car had 30,000 miles on it when we got it and needed a clutch. I sent the assembly to a rebuild er and it worked for awhile but the springs were too stiff and it broke. Off to the rebuild er again and it came back with lighter springs which worked well for a few seasons, even enduring getting glazed badly during a parade with a buddy driving it. But now, at 50k miles, I was driving it through town and stepped on it .... and it slipped badly. (My wife drives it most of the summer) after lengthy internet searching, I find that the clutch cover for this car is pure unobtainium, simply can't be had at any price. The rebuild er told me last time that "this is it" for the existing pressure plate. So what to do? Since the Great Scrap Metal Panic of 2009 there simply aren't any parts cars left for an automatic swap, and the torque tube driveshaft precludes an engine/trans swap without reworking the whole chassis. I hate to junk the car because it needs a clutch (It's a VERY nice car) Tube frame/LS 5.3 swap it? Redrill the flywheel for a different clutch that's still available? Billet custom machined pressure plate? The disc is no problem, it crosses to a Volvo 122s. Maybe the Volvo PP could be adapted?
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pacerman
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If you just want to drive the car, redrill the flywheel for a different clutch that will otherwise fit. I've never had to do it yet but I'm sure there are machine shops in my area that would make short work of such a job. Joe
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tyrodtom
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They list heavy duty clutches for that year of 9.25 inches, and later 196's had 9.125 clutches standard, and 9.5 optional, in the Hollander manual.
9.125 are getting a little hard to find also, but if you find one it would be more durable. I have a 9.5 heavy duty pressure plate, and I think, a clutch, came of a 66 199 American fleet car, in my garage, not bad shape and can be rebuilt. I'll have to check my manuals to see if it's compatible.
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66 American SW, 66 American 2dr, 82 J10, 70 Hornet, Pound, Va.
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andyleonard
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We run Chevy clutch assemblies on old Maseratis as a matter of course. Find a driven disc that matches your flywheel diameter and has the correct splines for the input shaft, buy a matching pressure plate, and off to the machine shop. When they surface the flywheel have them center and drill/mount/balance the new pressure plate. The only work to do is verify the reach of the throwout bearing, which you can do on the bench by comparing the assembled height of new to old setups. Might have to hunt for a different TO bearing. Cheap and strong. Make sure you write down what you used so the next guy doesn't get lost.
There are outfits that will rebuild your old stuff but it's a waste of time.
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shootist
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I would imagine if you know the cushion measurements on the stock unit and the fully released height then you could call a company like McLeod and find a clutch that would work for you from the inventory of many they have. May even want to pursue aftermarket clutches for the hopped up ricers. That way you get something with a throwout length that allows use of the stock size and all you really need is a clutch disc with the correct splines. You could likely get your clutch disc rebuilt for a reasonable amount. That leaves your mods as simple as drilling the flywheel to accommodate the new pressure plate assembly. But as previously mentioned it would be wise to document the modifications so that a future owner wouldn't have to go through the same issues. I recently tackled a similar beast with my configuration and getting a double clutch disc unit to fit a TKO transmission with a QT bellhousing. This was to stand up to the power that the motor is making and unfortunately I was not able to find anyone that had tackled quite the power level that I am making. |
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vinny
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After my clutch disc broke and the transmission failed for the second time I got fed up and put in an automatic along with the column to go with it. If your transmission is reliable then re-drilling the flywheel for another pressure plate sounds like a good idea.
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oilspot
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Thanks everyone, I think the 9-1/8" unit is only an option with the "heavy duty" 3-speed, which would be the holy grail for me. Unfortunately, if one ever existed near me it's been crushed along with everything else that was sitting around in 2009. Same for an automatic. I was hoping someone had been through this before here and could identify the clutch cover to use if I redrill the flywheel. I'll measure the height of my volvo PP and see if I can make one of those work, since I know the disc fits already.
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tyrodtom
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The heavy duty clutch didn't always mean also heavy duty transmission.
That 9.5 heavy duty clutch I have from a 66 fleet car, was still in front of a T-96.
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66 American SW, 66 American 2dr, 82 J10, 70 Hornet, Pound, Va.
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SCRAGTOP
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I have an early 6 cyl clutch disc for sale... Its in the for sale section...(of course)
Don't know if its the part number you need. I also have a lot of other 6 cyl transmission parts. Gears, bearings, input shafts. Jon http://theamcforum.com/forum/nos-6-cyl-clutch-disc_topic88362_post786004.html?KW=disc#786004 Edited by SCRAGTOP - Aug/11/2017 at 9:44am |
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nickleone
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A quick rockauto search turned up:
Outer Diam: 8-1/2; Inner Diam: 1; TEETH:10T $131+ 62 Volvo 122 1.8l Nick
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nick
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