Your donations help keep this valuable resource free and growing. Thank you.
|
T-10 close ratio vs wide ratio? |
Post Reply | Page <1 4567> |
Author | |
70amxvegas
AMC Addicted Joined: Apr/26/2009 Location: Lost Wages Status: Offline Points: 1793 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Wonder if a 3.73 rear would be nice with the 2.23 in the amx ???
|
|
bigbadgreen
AMC Addicted Joined: Jan/07/2009 Location: WI Status: Offline Points: 1770 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
i would like to find a wide ratio. not too common though.
|
|
amx39068
Supporter of TheAMCForum Joined: Feb/21/2008 Location: Arizona Status: Offline Points: 11576 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
You'll love it around town but it will be a bit buzzy up on the freeway. I had 4.10s and the 2.23 T-10 and it was a blast to drive around town. Contrarily I hated running at a contant 3650 - 3800 RPM whenever attempting to just keep up with traffic on the big roads although if you wanted to pass someone in a hurry it took off like a rocket when mashing the pedal in 4th gear at 65-70 MPH. Edited by amx39068 - Jul/13/2013 at 2:30pm |
|
Dan Curtis-Owner and CEO AZ AMC Restorations; Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/amcmusclecars/ & Curtis Real Estate Development
|
|
amx39068
Supporter of TheAMCForum Joined: Feb/21/2008 Location: Arizona Status: Offline Points: 11576 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Ray,
sent you a PM |
|
Dan Curtis-Owner and CEO AZ AMC Restorations; Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/amcmusclecars/ & Curtis Real Estate Development
|
|
304-dude
AMC Addicted Joined: Sep/29/2008 Location: Central Illinoi Status: Offline Points: 9082 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
OK, I know I am a bit late on this thread...
Just, I am so surprised that we did not get anyone who has done semi-pro racing involved. Either in track or strip. Close ratio will get you from zero to top end just as quick as a wide ratio, as long as you shift without messing up in each comparison. The key is matching up engine torque, with the rear end. High low end torque can have 2.87 on up to 3.25 gearing. Medium torque curved engine 3.55 to 3.74, and High top end torque would need 3.90 on up. The trick is keeping the engine at or near its peak with torque, so matching gears in the transmission is crucial. Once you established your engine rear end combination. Having a wide ratio tranny would be beneficial to a small block or road race conditions. AMC did a poor choice with properly matching ratios over what GM had done with their units. So, the way it looks there is no best T-10 from AMC, as each has their gearing strong points and low points. For me I would take the close ratio with a 390/401 engine. Though you would have to keep the rear around 3.55 - 3.90. For those with 3.15 gears the wide ratio would be best. I selected a 3.25 rear gear for my engine, since I plan on having a fairly good amount of low end torque. Now the issue is I will be using a TH400 with performance gears and ratios of 2.75, 1.54, and 1. It is still a far cry from the T-10 gearing, but still in the ball park for a good launch with 3.25 or lower numerically rear gearing. With a standard 1st gear of 1.54 I would need a 3.55 rear gear. Just showing how similar in correlation with 1st gear in comparison with the 1st gear in the T-10. There is going to be some people who may say prove different, but it is all about how everything works together. Just keep in mind your rear gear starting point with your engine's dynamics, before selecting which particular T-10 works better for you. The statements through this thread directly or indirectly correlate with my statement, just too many follow the leader without thinking about the basics. Edited by 304-dude - Jul/15/2013 at 7:41am |
|
70amxvegas
AMC Addicted Joined: Apr/26/2009 Location: Lost Wages Status: Offline Points: 1793 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
what would you have if you go with a 2.64 t 10 with a 3.73 rear end on 15 inch tires?
|
|
17tamx
AMC Addicted Joined: Dec/23/2008 Location: Peoria, AZ Status: Offline Points: 1170 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Ray, I run the 2.64 T10 with my 3.54 rear and the 15" machine wheels with 255 60 15 T/As. Traction is a real problem. 13.28 @ 107 with real dungty 60 foot times.
|
|
Kirk P. Fletcher
70 AMX BBG w/Shadow 390 4sp 71 SC360 Wild Plum Ram Air 4sp 67 Rogue Convert 343 4sp 66 Rogue Hardtop 290 Auto 66 440 Convert 232 Auto |
|
jpnjim
AMC Addicted Joined: Nov/25/2007 Location: New England Status: Offline Points: 2752 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
I'd say you'd have a lower first gear than needed, unless it was in a heavy car, or if you had a smaller engine. As stated above, you'd also be giving up a measure of strength going with the 2.64 first vs the 2.23. I am setting up to run the 2.64 first with a 3.15 rear in a 71' Javelin with a 401. I'm (hopefully) OK with giving up some strength vs the 2.23 because it means I can run a 3.15 rear. If you're set on 3.73's I'd say stick with the 2.23 T-10 unless it's a smaller engine, or a heavier car that could use the extra torque multiplication. My 71' Javelin has been a 360/2.23 T-10 w/3.91's since I bought it in 1990, highway trips were always way too buzzy, 80mph = 4000 rpms. I can't see using 3.73 gears with a 2.64 box since it defeats the purpose of using the lower first gear. Unless it was a 290 powered Ambassador, 3.36 (if available), or maybe 3.54's would be as low as I'd want to gear with the 2.64 box. |
|
71 P-code 4spd Javelin/AMX
some Jeeps and some Fords |
|
TX390AMX
AMC Addicted Joined: Dec/27/2012 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 803 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
I have a 68 AMX 390 (healthy) with a close ratio (2.23) T-10 and 3.73 rearend. 1st gear is much better than the 3.15 in my Green AMX, but 2nd gear seems almost a waste of time, unless you're really deep into the throttle, then it's just more noise/fun. It is tedious on the highway, but then it's not really a cruiser anyway. The Green car is the cruiser with the 3.15/close ratio combo, but 1st gear requires more clutch even in a 3300 lb AMX.
|
|
Terry
68 AMX 390 4 Sp Rally Green 68 AMX 390 4 Sp Matador Red 68 AMX 390 4 Sp Calcutta Russet 56 Chevy Sedan Delivery 2016 Can AM Spyder 55 Chev pickup |
|
17tamx
AMC Addicted Joined: Dec/23/2008 Location: Peoria, AZ Status: Offline Points: 1170 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Ray, 2.23 x 3.54 = 7.89 off the line, 2.64 x 3.54 = 9.35 off the line, 2.23 x 4.11 = 9.17 off the line, 2.64 x 3.15 = 8.32 off the line, 2.64 x 2.87 = 7.58 off the line. 9.35 / 2.23 = 4.19 rear gears. You can see that wide ratio gears have some real advantages for gear multiplication. However, The higher the number for the 1st gear ratio the less torque the trans can take. The 79 AMX with the 304 4 spd was pretty good off the line because the Ford built SR4 trans was a very wide ratio with a 3.5 1st gear. However, the spacing was better between the gears than any T-10 ever built. For drag racing with a torque monster 390 or 401 a wide ratio 3 spd can be pretty good. Less time shifting equals a faster et. I find with my AMX I skip 2nd gear most of the time.
|
|
Kirk P. Fletcher
70 AMX BBG w/Shadow 390 4sp 71 SC360 Wild Plum Ram Air 4sp 67 Rogue Convert 343 4sp 66 Rogue Hardtop 290 Auto 66 440 Convert 232 Auto |
|
Post Reply | Page <1 4567> |
Tweet
|
Forum Jump | Forum Permissions You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |