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Repairing the V8 Ambo propshaft. |
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990V8
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Posted: Aug/02/2017 at 3:40am |
This is a continuation of the Thread 'Encased Driveshaft' here
http://theamcforum.com/forum/topic88313_post790329.html#790329 The shaft and torque tube from my 63 Ambo V8 auto are at the repair shop. But after a week he hasn't even got it apart yet. Need some advice please: I'm a bit stuck because I lent him my TSM so I don't have it to refer to and I don't know if he's misreading it, but he says that before the shaft can be pulled out, the female part of the rear slip joint has to be pulled off the axle end, and he has to make a tool to do it. He also says that there is a clip holding the centre bearing, and he can't get at the clip until he pulls off the female end. This chap is a prop shaft specialist and no fool, but he's never seen one of these before. I thought the shaft just pulled out of the front, complete with the female end of the axle slip joint. And no clip. Don't want to damage it. Can someone please confirm? Ivor Edited by 990V8 - Aug/03/2017 at 4:28am |
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I separated one by just pulling it off. Maybe the splines are sticking a bit. I would think giving it a few whacks in the right places with a dead blow hammer should get it to come off.
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From 64 TSM, A "slip" or "union" type coupling is used. The propeller shaft and coupling can be slipped off the pinion shaft when breaking the connection between the propeller shaft and rear axle.
They use a special tool to remove the pinion nut so your guy will probably have fun with that. I was scared to get into that part of it and settled on just a carrier bearing change. |
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Thankyou.
Just to be clear - as politicos say when they mean the opposite - the only parts that's at the shop is the torque tube with the propshaft inside it. What's holding him up is taking the shaft out of the tube. He has a horizontal press, so I think it just presses out from the back, the whole shaft will slide out from the front of the torque tube? Ivor |
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When i repaired mine it pulled out by hand through the "front". Did the internal shaft rotate freely when you removed the tube assembly? Maybe the centre section is stuck.
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990V8
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Yes, it came out. He said it came out quite easily, but he was using a press where the gauge starts at one ton.
Things seem not to be as per the TSM: - There is no snap ring holding the bearing - no ring and no groove for a ring. - The front yoke is welded to the prop - it does not come off. - There is a spline between the rear [solid] part of the shaft and the [tubular] front. Perhaps the design was changed or this is a replacement shaft?? He says the ujs are not listed, but he is looking for some. The yokes are cracked. The centre bearing (65,000 miles) is worn. There is oil around the bearing and the rubber mount is disintegrating, but there is no oil in the tube. He says the tube is dry. So where is the oil coming from. Bizarre. To be continued. Ivor Edited by 990V8 - Aug/04/2017 at 8:48am |
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The oil most likely came from the trans rear seal. That also causes the rubber to disintegrate over time. A little just leaked into the tube. The yoke welded on the two piece shaft isn't surprising -- probably WHY it's a two piece shaft. With cracked yokes they will need to be replaced. I'd just go with a single u- joint, which will require lengthening the front tubular portion. That should be easy for any driveline shop. IIRC the yoke has the same splines as a T-10 manual trans, but check! If the shop can't find a yoke that fits let us know, someone should be able to find one over here. The 67-71 AMC V-8 M-11/12 yoke may fit, not sure if they are the same as the older trans or not.
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990V8
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I guess it might be a good idea to braze an outlet stub under the tube between the trans and the centre bearing. Attach a length of hose to the stub. Can't guarantee no future trans leaks but that would give any oil a way to run out, without letting dust into the tube.
Didn't chase the shop today, I'll call them Monday. Ivor |
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Well, oil in the tube has never really been a problem, even with a leaky trans seal. It will leak out around the rubber cushion up front. But a 3/16" or so hole just in front of the center bearing wouldn't hurt. That's all I'd do -- drill a hole. Won't get enough dust in to make much difference, especially since you won't be driving the car every day.
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It is very odd. I haven't seen inside the tube since he took it apart - the shop in 32 miles/an hour away - but he said the tube is dry although the rubber is oily. Perhaps it was oily in the past.
I think the tube being a closed system would be a low-pressure area, so it would tend to suck in from the underside of the car which is a high-pressure zone. Wouldn't take much dust in that bearing.... It amazes me that a bearing could be put in there with no means of refreshing the lubrication, but I gather it's not an uncommon design feature in various cars. Ivor Edit; I'll put up a Wanted. Msybe get good yokes. I also asked Blasers and CTC. Edited by 990V8 - Aug/05/2017 at 9:26am |
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