TheAMCForum.com Homepage
Forum Home Forum Home > The Garage > 6 Cylinder Engine Repair and Modifications
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Removing Head from '68 232
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Click for TheAMCForum Rules / Click for PDF version of Forum Rules
Your donations help keep this valuable resource free and growing. Thank you.

Removing Head from '68 232

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <123>
Author
Message
vinny View Drop Down
Supporter of TheAMCForum
Supporter of TheAMCForum


Joined: Jan/05/2012
Location: Calgary
Status: Offline
Points: 487
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote vinny Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/05/2012 at 9:47am
You shouldn't need to replace head bolts. Just a waste of money IMO.

Are you taking the head in to have it redone?

I had a 196 head done years ago and they broached and reamed the guides. It seems to have worked quite well.

Back to Top
amc-rookie View Drop Down
Supporter of TheAMCForum
Supporter of TheAMCForum
Avatar

Joined: Jan/25/2009
Location: Schenectady NY
Status: Offline
Points: 222
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote amc-rookie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/05/2012 at 10:26am
Head is back from the valve job, and the shop also suggested the original bolts were good to re-use. They noted if they don't torque, they'll need to be replaced.
I would think stuff made in the '60's is better than stuff made today...

Dave
Project (oh, heck yeah!) 1968 AMX #2789 was 290/auto

Son's car 1968 Javelin 6cyl/3 speed
Back to Top
vinny View Drop Down
Supporter of TheAMCForum
Supporter of TheAMCForum


Joined: Jan/05/2012
Location: Calgary
Status: Offline
Points: 487
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote vinny Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/05/2012 at 11:01am
You might want to clean up the threads in the block with a bottoming tap.
Back to Top
amc-rookie View Drop Down
Supporter of TheAMCForum
Supporter of TheAMCForum
Avatar

Joined: Jan/25/2009
Location: Schenectady NY
Status: Offline
Points: 222
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote amc-rookie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/05/2012 at 11:02pm
Anyone know the correct pushrod length for a 68 232?

Thanks,
Dave
Project (oh, heck yeah!) 1968 AMX #2789 was 290/auto

Son's car 1968 Javelin 6cyl/3 speed
Back to Top
vinny View Drop Down
Supporter of TheAMCForum
Supporter of TheAMCForum


Joined: Jan/05/2012
Location: Calgary
Status: Offline
Points: 487
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote vinny Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/06/2012 at 7:28am
I can get back to measure pushrods in about a week. 

If you still have noisy valves you may have the same problems that I have. Your rocker shaft and some of the rockers may be worn. On my engine changing lifters did not solve the problem. 

I found a replacement assembly but haven't had a chance to try it yet.

Galvin's in California and Kanter's (NY?) sell replacement parts.


Back to Top
amc-rookie View Drop Down
Supporter of TheAMCForum
Supporter of TheAMCForum
Avatar

Joined: Jan/25/2009
Location: Schenectady NY
Status: Offline
Points: 222
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote amc-rookie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/06/2012 at 8:44am
Originally posted by vinny vinny wrote:

I can get back to measure pushrods in about a week. 

If you still have noisy valves you may have the same problems that I have. Your rocker shaft and some of the rockers may be worn. On my engine changing lifters did not solve the problem. 

I found a replacement assembly but haven't had a chance to try it yet.

Galvin's in California and Kanter's (NY?) sell replacement parts.




Vinny,
Thanks for the offer, but we're looking to assemble this weekend. I was looking for the length, to check the existing ones for wear.

Dave
Project (oh, heck yeah!) 1968 AMX #2789 was 290/auto

Son's car 1968 Javelin 6cyl/3 speed
Back to Top
amc-rookie View Drop Down
Supporter of TheAMCForum
Supporter of TheAMCForum
Avatar

Joined: Jan/25/2009
Location: Schenectady NY
Status: Offline
Points: 222
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote amc-rookie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/06/2012 at 9:54am
What about loc-tite on bolts? Head bolts, intake bolts, exhaust bolts, carb bolts???
Project (oh, heck yeah!) 1968 AMX #2789 was 290/auto

Son's car 1968 Javelin 6cyl/3 speed
Back to Top
vinny View Drop Down
Supporter of TheAMCForum
Supporter of TheAMCForum


Joined: Jan/05/2012
Location: Calgary
Status: Offline
Points: 487
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote vinny Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/06/2012 at 11:44am
No loc-tite required anywhere.

Some others might have suggestions on lubing the bolt threads. 

One of the front bolt holes may be drilled into the water pump cavity and may need sealant.
Back to Top
KermitDRambler View Drop Down
AMC Addicted
AMC Addicted
Avatar

Joined: Jul/06/2007
Location: Cincinnati, OH
Status: Offline
Points: 2268
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote KermitDRambler Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/06/2012 at 11:57am
There is for sure a head bolt that needs a non-hardening sealant on it (The TSM says to use Permatex #2). I think it's the one in the front of the head on the manifold side. If you shine a flastlight in the waterpump cavity, you'll be able to see which on it is. The only other place where a dab of sealant is needed is on the rear main seal. I also use Permatex #2 on the water outlet gasket to make up for slightly warped outlets.
 
I don't recall the TSM saying to use any lubricant on the bolts but I don't have one in front of me.
 
As far as the pushrods go, you should be okay as long as they are straight. I rebuilt an engine that was run for a while with next to no oil pressure and while the rocker assembly and valve guides were badly worn, the pushrods were okay.
 
Matt
1967 American wagon
http://www.mattsoldcars.com
Back to Top
tomj View Drop Down
AMC Addicted
AMC Addicted


Joined: Jan/27/2010
Location: los angeles
Status: Offline
Points: 591
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tomj Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr/06/2012 at 8:53pm
All good advice here. I vaguely recall the "right front" head bolt, that penetrates into the water jacket, is *slightly* shorter then the others. I had a terrfying scare once when I started the engine after a routine head job and got a horrible noise -- simply the tip of that bolt fluttering against the water pump blades. No harm done.

This was a 1970 232, and this happened in 2004? So who knows, too-thin a washer under the headbolt? One oddball bolt? Thinner gasket? Slightly oversize water pump blade?

I swapped the bolt, retorqued, no further problems. When cars get this old many variables creep in not factory-installed.

1963 American 440 hardtop
195.6 OHV, modded
T-96 Twin Stick, 3.78 axle
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <123>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.250 seconds.
All content of this site Copyright © 2012 TheAMCForum unless otherwise noted, all rights reserved.
PROBLEMS LOGGING IN or REGISTERING:
If you have problems logging in or registering, then please contact a Moderator or