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990V8
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Tightened up the brake cable at the 'balancer'. It was pretty slack, with a lot of travel on the umbrella handle.
Went out to test the brakes ahead of the annual Gubmt test. The footbrake no problem, pulled 70% easily (0.7G) on the meter, the pass rate is only 40%. The parking brake pulled 35%, the pass rate is 25%. But.... one rear wheel locked and it swerved across the road. There appears to be no way of adjusting the rear brake cables separately, or am I missing something? And of course there is no manual adjustment on these drums. Had all the mechanism apart a few months ago, greased etc, saw no problems, the linings, the drums are fine. I notice from the service records, in the 1960s several garage visits because of brake imbalance, so is this just how it is? Ivor |
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pacerman
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I would inspect both sets of rear brake internals to see that that parts are matching, side to side and that the primary and secondary brake shoes are mounted correctly. Are the backing plates the same? Do you have equivalent wear on the brake shoes? I understand that you have already assured yourself that there is no oil contamination. I am just mentioned things that I would check. Why do you say there is no manual adjustment on the rear brakes? Joe
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tomj
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the single cable out back goes from wheel to wheel, with the horseshoe shaped thing with adjuster in the middle. that's supposed to allow the brake force to equalize, and in my experience, it does that. maybe the cable as taken a set and can't slide back and forth?
are the rear brakes in general wearing equally? you might not notice if not.
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990V8
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Yes, taken a set, that could be about the size of it. Everything is well greased including the cable, and it's not greased over old rust because there's so much oil under there it looks as if it's never been rusty.
There's no manual adjustment on these drums. They self-adjust, in reverse. Generally I'm more accustomed to drums that have to be manually adjusted like on my Land Rover where there's a rotary wedge. The problem there is eithar the adjusters get rusted or rounded off by goons with the wrong size spanner, but at least there is provision for correcting imbalance side to side. Reading the Pass requirements, it says if the parking brake will lock one wheel, that's OK. So hopefully it will be OK. I'm sure the brakes haven't been messed with, we don't have a pool of parts over here to mix and match and muddle. Which on the whole is probably a good thing. Ivor |
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Were Canadian built models meant for export THAT much different than U.S. built cars? According to the '64 Classic/Ambo TSM the rear brakes could be manually adjusted through the slot in the backing plate.
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990V8
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Yes, but only to release a ridged drum for instance, or to take up the initial slack after the brakes have been apart.
Once the car is in use the brakes will inexorably adjust themselves as they see fit, unless one refrains from using them in reverse. Ivor |
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tomj
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once they get old (eg. all amc/ramblers!) the backing plates have a large effect on operation, forward or reverse. they get nasty wear grooves where the edge of the shoes ride on the flattened bosses. eventually shoe motion gets notchy. they also don't wear evenly, meaning the outward/outboard edge of the shoe wears more than the inside edge near the backing plate, because it tilts into the slot formed by wear, so the shoe is less and less parallel to the drum surface.
you can often hear the crunchy noises. i have no idea if it could or did effect parking brakes but it doesnt seem impossible. i weld up the grooves and grind or mill them flat. |
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farna
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You can still adjust the brakes manually. The auto adjusters might get them out of balance again after a time, but at least you can get through testing. I'd take that cable out of the U-shaped balance bar and make sure it's free there as well.
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Frank Swygert
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990V8
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I don't remember seeing grooving on the shoe-rests, I do remember applying a touch of grease at that point. On my Land Rover there are adjustable Steady Posts that bear against the web of the shoe to keep it 'upright'.
Anyway, I'll take another look. Frank that's a very anarchic thought Ivor |
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Gotta do what ya gotta do sometimes... The government means well, but it usually leans toward protecting idiots from themselves more than anything else...
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