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    Posted: Jun/25/2019 at 12:09pm
I finally broke down and committed to replacing all the wear parts on the front end as they seem to be going one after the other.  I purchased the Kantor kit, it includes:
-lower ball joints
-outer tie rods
-stabilizer link kit
-strut bushing kit
-bushing, upper
-bushing (inner?)
-poly trunnion kit

With everything coming off, I might as well replace any wear parts and I noticed a few were missing:
-coil spring upper and lower rubbers/isolators
-coil spring bumpers
-sway bar bushings (most likely not in the kit because not all had a sway bar.
I'll get these from Kennedy

I do have a few questions.

-Does the trunnion kit eliminate the bearing that sits under it on the steering knuckle pin? Does it need to be replaced, or left in place with the new kit? (I didn't see bearings when I opened the box but obviously will open the package fully to double-check)

-Am I missing any other rubbers or wear parts?  I did grab a new pair of shocks as well.

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I don't know why kits come with the outer tie rid ends and not the inner. I would replace those as well.
Son's car: '73 Gremlin X, 401, T-10, Mopar 8.75 rear with 3.23 sure grip. My car: '70 Newport Convertible, 440 automatic
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I doubt the kit would eliminate the need for the bearing that sits under the trunnion on the knuckle pin.  Unless completely worn, you should be able to use the old bearing.  Those bearings are pretty stout.  The trunnion should be able to turn tightly by hand on the knuckle pin.  If it is sloppy or extremely easy to turn, then consider replacement.
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Our friend from CA has found bearings to be reusable. Here in the northeast rust belt, I have never found an old bearing that was not seized up. Every one I have taken apart was junk and the new ones I installed had a pin hole where a pinhole grease gun attachment could grease them. Originals were not greaseable. Unless you have a car from the southwest, you will likely need to replace the bearings.
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Yep, a little fortunate with mild weather.  Good catch, did not think about heavy rain and snow creating significant rust/wear issues and wreaking havoc on parts!
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I unpacked the bags the kit came in and it did have the bearings...it should for what it cost.  The bearing was surrounded by an instruction page folded up in each kit's bag...and with those bags in a bigger bag I just missed them.  Ordered the inner tie rods along with a pair of adjusters, good call Snotty.

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That's a thrust bearing and holds all the weight of the car. Without it the steering would be hard to turn and you'd wear the bottom of the trunnion housing... if it would go together correctly, which it won't. AMC used a sealed bearing, but there is a generic that works. IIRC it's slightly thicker and not sealed on the bottom, but keep it greased and any dirt keeps pushed out, and any water that goes up has to come down. I've been running that generic since I rebuilt my suspension in 2000. Was a daily driver for seven years with 5-7K a year on it, not driven so much now (maybe 2500-3000 a year). Bearing still works fine.

The rebuild kit is so expensive because of the upper trunnions. Did yours come with rebuilt trunnions or a big polyurethane bushing that goes in your existing housing? I think Kanter provides a refurbished trunnion, but they may have switched to the bushing. You cna't torque that bushing down as much as the TSM says -- it works differently than the original. Torque it down that much and it won't turn or turns very hard. Just snug the nut down, and you might want to use some loc-tite on it for peace of mind.
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It's a trunnion kit, Frank.  It said "2-1", with a comment about it being a little different than stock.  Opening up the package, the difference is with the rubber inside the trunnion.  The bearings look quality, I figured they were sealed but I'll check closer when I get home.

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Originally posted by Midnight Rambler Midnight Rambler wrote:

Ordered the inner tie rods along with a pair of adjusters, good call Snotty.

Son's car: '73 Gremlin X, 401, T-10, Mopar 8.75 rear with 3.23 sure grip. My car: '70 Newport Convertible, 440 automatic
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Bearings look decent:




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