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Topic: best AMC for F.A.S.T./ Pure Stock
Posted By: scramboy
Subject: best AMC for F.A.S.T./ Pure Stock
Date Posted: Oct/20/2018 at 7:47am
Was having a recent discussion on the forum with a member building a car for pure stock drag racing. Got me thinking which AMC body/engine would be the most competitive in said classes? Lets be real here, extra cubic inches etc is rampant in those classes so lets apply this here. Im talking lets make it look bone stock and get it as fast as we can. I know there are car/engine builders out the that have thought about this, lets hear your ideas!



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Posted By: jpnjim
Date Posted: Oct/20/2018 at 8:29am
If you need to have the free flow exhaust manifolds (and I think you do),
then you're talking 1971-74 Javelin, or 1971 SC/360 Hornet clone.

Assuming the need for a 2 bbl carburetor would kill the V8 Gremlin and any other V8 Hornet.

Those Javelins also got E60 tires so the extra weight compared to a Hornet at least gets you something.

If transmissions have to match too I'd say a 1972 401/727 (or built 904 if you could run it) Javelin would be the best chance.
But even then I don't think it can compete in pure stock,
even assuming a stroker crank and if a "special" block was allowed.

Just my 2 cents


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71 Javelin AMX P-code Go pac 360/4spd/3.91's
was Green/green now T/A red w/blk leather

88,89&98 Jeeps


Posted By: Sonic Silver
Date Posted: Oct/20/2018 at 8:52am
Originally posted by jpnjim jpnjim wrote:

If you need to have the free flow exhaust manifolds (and I think you do),
then you're talking 1971-74 Javelin, or 1971 SC/360 Hornet clone.

Assuming the need for a 2 bbl carburetor would kill the V8 Gremlin and any other V8 Hornet.

Those Javelins also got E60 tires so the extra weight compared to a Hornet at least gets you something.

If transmissions have to match too I'd say a 1972 401/727 (or built 904 if you could run it) Javelin would be the best chance.
But even then I don't think it can compete in pure stock,
even assuming a stroker crank and if a "special" block was allowed.

Just my 2 cents
The SC/360 only came with 1 freeflow exhaust manifold.


Posted By: jpnjim
Date Posted: Oct/20/2018 at 9:44am
Originally posted by Sonic Silver Sonic Silver wrote:

The SC/360 only came with 1 freeflow exhaust manifold.

Great point Sonic,
(and one I completely forgot about!)
thanks!


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71 Javelin AMX P-code Go pac 360/4spd/3.91's
was Green/green now T/A red w/blk leather

88,89&98 Jeeps


Posted By: Sonic Silver
Date Posted: Oct/20/2018 at 9:50am
Originally posted by jpnjim jpnjim wrote:

Originally posted by Sonic Silver Sonic Silver wrote:

The SC/360 only came with 1 freeflow exhaust manifold.

Great point Sonic,
(and one I completely forgot about!)
thanks!
That must be why my SC/360 wants to go sideways when I jump on it. There is more power coming out of the driver's side exhaust.


Posted By: 304-dude
Date Posted: Oct/20/2018 at 9:57am
Originally posted by Sonic Silver Sonic Silver wrote:


Originally posted by jpnjim jpnjim wrote:



Originally posted by Sonic Silver Sonic Silver wrote:

The SC/360 only came with 1 freeflow exhaust manifold.


Great point Sonic,
(and one I completely forgot about!)
thanks!

That must be why my SC/360 wants to go sideways when I jump on it. There is more power coming out of the driver's side exhaust.


HA!

Don't forget them hollow exhaust manifold bolts too. Them are stock as a dealer fix. But not for going sideways.

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71 Javelin SST body
390 69 crank, 70 block & heads
NASCAR SB2 rods & pistons
78 Jeep TH400 w/ 2.76 Low
50/50 Ford-AMC Suspension
79 F150 rear & 8.8 axles
Ford Racing 3.25 gears & 9" /w Detroit locker


Posted By: n2ojoe
Date Posted: Oct/20/2018 at 10:28am
Guys, don't get the two classes confused here. The pure stocks and the FAST series are two completely different rule sets. The pure stocks are much more strict and represent what a well sorted, original musclecar can do with stock parts a few minor tweaks. The FAST class looks stock, but allows any internal modifications such as strokers, roller cams, porting, etc. 
psmcdr.com
fastdrags.com

The pure stock musclecar drag race was started by my neighbor and good friend Bob Boden, and had roughly 25 cars at Milan dragway in it's first few years. The event grew and was moved to Mid Michigan Motorplex, where it is a once a year race held in September. It is intended to be a fun event and just get all those cool cars out of storage.
There is test and tune all day Friday, and the timing tower crew keeps track of all the runs during the day. A list is made from the slowest to the quickest, and you get paired up with the car that ran closest to your car's ET. On Saturday the pairings are lined up in the staging lanes from slowest at the front to quickest at the rear. You run 3 rounds of heads up racing with your pairing partner for a 2 out of 3 winner. For a few years they ran a king of the hill bracket race, where if you won your 2 out of 3 shootout then you were eligible to enter. This detetmined an overall winner, but this year they didn't even run the bracket race. You don't have to be the fastest.  They is no winner, no trophy, zip, zero. Only bragging rights, and there is obviously more prestige being paired near the rear of staging. It's all just for fun!

Some of the racers feel the need to push the envelope and had been booted for cheating. These guys came up with their own race and started the Factory Appearing Stock Tire race, where anything goes. I've never even spectated at one of these races, so I can't describe the way they run eliminations. They do have a few other classes at their races though. Factory Stock runs within the Pure Stock rules. Modern Muscle is for late models obviously. Then the F.A.S.T. class are the stars of the show.






Posted By: CamJam
Date Posted: Oct/20/2018 at 10:31am
Originally posted by jpnjim jpnjim wrote:

Originally posted by Sonic Silver Sonic Silver wrote:

The SC/360 only came with 1 freeflow exhaust manifold.

Great point Sonic,
(and one I completely forgot about!)
thanks!

Huh?  Someone want to explain this one to me? I'm assuming some sort of a clearance issue?


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'72 Baja Bronze Javelin SST
'69 Big Bad Orange AMX (2018 Teague Heritage Award winner) SOLD
'70 Opel GT
'07 BMW 335i
'13 Ford Focus ST


Posted By: n2ojoe
Date Posted: Oct/20/2018 at 10:49am
Originally posted by CamJam CamJam wrote:

Originally posted by jpnjim jpnjim wrote:

Originally posted by Sonic Silver Sonic Silver wrote:

The SC/360 only came with 1 freeflow exhaust manifold.

Great point Sonic,
(and one I completely forgot about!)
thanks!

Huh?  Someone want to explain this one to me? I'm assuming some sort of a clearance issue?

Yes, clearance is the issue to the passenger side strut rod bracket so a standard log manifold was used on that side. 

This brings up another point. I've seen both high flows on an SC360 and Machine manifolds on an AMX at the Pure Stocks. They aren't "quite" as strict as some may think at this race. Obviously the intent and goal is to bring a car with all the correct parts, but the organizers also realize that these cars are 50 years old and have had rough lives and many swapped parts. They are happy to have more AMC's attend, after all it is just for fun. I like the original vision of the class like Mr. Boden had intended, have fun while tuning the most out of the stock parts as you can.


Posted By: scramboy
Date Posted: Oct/20/2018 at 11:05am
My choice would be a 72 Base Javelin with a 401, utilizes free flows, 727 trans, has a huge wheelwell for traction, lighten it up as much as possible and go for it!


Posted By: jpnjim
Date Posted: Oct/20/2018 at 11:09am
Originally posted by n2ojoe n2ojoe wrote:

Yes, clearance is the issue to the passenger side strut rod bracket so a standard log manifold was used on that side. 

This brings up another point. I've seen both high flows on an SC360 and Machine manifolds on an AMX at the Pure Stocks. They aren't "quite" as strict as some may think at this race. Obviously the intent and goal is to bring a car with all the correct parts, but the organizers also realize that these cars are 50 years old and have had rough lives and many swapped parts. They are happy to have more AMC's attend, after all it is just for fun. I like the original vision of the class like Mr. Boden had intended, have fun while tuning the most out of the stock parts as you can.


Thanks for clearing up the classes and their origins above Joe Clap

What AMC car(s) would you recommend for either class?

I think the Hornet looks great on paper (especially if they allow the passenger side free flow), but hooking up the skinny 14" tires in that narrow wheel well would be the problem I think.

The Humpy Javelins have a ton of tire room, and had factory E60's,
 but they also weigh a lot more.

Man,
 one more year of 2-seaters and we would have had the best of both worlds. Smile

(or two more years of 2-seaters to get to the 904/727's)


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71 Javelin AMX P-code Go pac 360/4spd/3.91's
was Green/green now T/A red w/blk leather

88,89&98 Jeeps


Posted By: jpnjim
Date Posted: Oct/20/2018 at 11:13am
Originally posted by scramboy scramboy wrote:

My choice would be a 72 Base Javelin with a 401, utilizes free flows, 727 trans, has a huge wheelwell for traction, lighten it up as much as possible and go for it!


Before someone else chimes in....
there's no Base 72's WinkLOL

Just a technicality,
  all 72's were either SST's (the new base level), or AMX's.

I think you are right about that year and setup being the sweet spot tho


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71 Javelin AMX P-code Go pac 360/4spd/3.91's
was Green/green now T/A red w/blk leather

88,89&98 Jeeps


Posted By: 304-dude
Date Posted: Oct/20/2018 at 11:17am
The winner in Javelin bodies would be early 71 4spd high compression 401 base Javelin, or just get the lightest and fastest, a 390 AMX with a cross ram setup. Both running 3.91 gears.



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71 Javelin SST body
390 69 crank, 70 block & heads
NASCAR SB2 rods & pistons
78 Jeep TH400 w/ 2.76 Low
50/50 Ford-AMC Suspension
79 F150 rear & 8.8 axles
Ford Racing 3.25 gears & 9" /w Detroit locker


Posted By: Sonic Silver
Date Posted: Oct/20/2018 at 11:24am
Originally posted by 304-dude 304-dude wrote:

The winner in Javelin bodies would be early 71 4spd high compression 401 base Javelin, or just get the lightest and fastest, a 390 AMX with a cross ram setup. Both running 3.91 gears.

Do you think that they let you run a cross ram in pure stock?


Posted By: jpnjim
Date Posted: Oct/20/2018 at 11:37am
Originally posted by 304-dude 304-dude wrote:

The winner in Javelin bodies would be early 71 4spd high compression 401 base Javelin, or just get the lightest and fastest, a 390 AMX with a cross ram setup. Both running 3.91 gears.



In real life those would be two very potent stock(ish) AMC's,
 but I'm guessing the rules would want cast iron intakes on our cars since no AMC was delivered with anything else.

 Like what just happened with the R4B being allowed in some "stock" classes, then disallowed shortly after.

I haven't read the Pure Stock rules lately, but I think high compression in a later model Javelin wouldn't be a problem.


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71 Javelin AMX P-code Go pac 360/4spd/3.91's
was Green/green now T/A red w/blk leather

88,89&98 Jeeps


Posted By: 304-dude
Date Posted: Oct/20/2018 at 11:39am
Originally posted by Sonic Silver Sonic Silver wrote:


Originally posted by 304-dude 304-dude wrote:

The winner in Javelin bodies would be early 71 4spd high compression 401 base Javelin, or just get the lightest and fastest, a 390 AMX with a cross ram setup. Both running 3.91 gears.

Do you think that they let you run a cross ram in pure stock?


If the dealer installed it, if that is impossible, then run Jerseyjoe's car. Came off the assembly line set to be on the track. I am sure there are a few GM COPO cars in the entry list.

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71 Javelin SST body
390 69 crank, 70 block & heads
NASCAR SB2 rods & pistons
78 Jeep TH400 w/ 2.76 Low
50/50 Ford-AMC Suspension
79 F150 rear & 8.8 axles
Ford Racing 3.25 gears & 9" /w Detroit locker


Posted By: n2ojoe
Date Posted: Oct/20/2018 at 12:05pm
From the pure stock homepage link I posted:

"For 1955 to 1975 musclecars built in United States and Canadian assembly plants with a minimum warranty of 12 months and 12,000 miles. Factory lightweight cars built for sanctioned drag racing and dealership-built/modified cars are not eligible to participate. Cars must be factory equipped with a minimum of four-barrel carburetion, dual exhaust, and other factory-installed equipment that promotes a high-performance intent and image."

Remember, these cars are very stock. Original carburetor and air cleaner housing, cast intake, unported heads, mild cam, cast exhaust manifolds.

A few of the "pure stock" allowed modifications are 1.5 points of compression over stock, 2.5" max diameter full exhaust, any rear gear ratio, one size tire over stock, points ignition conversions that fit inside the factory distributor, very mild cam changes (must make 15" vacuum at idle), 1 inch taller air cleaner element is allowed.
EDIT:
That's why I feel AMC's are better suited for "pure stock" racing instead of "F.A.S.T." class. Even though you could max out cubic inch, compression, cam profiles, etc in "F.A.S.T.", you still need to get the air in and out of stock carbs and manifolds (everything still must look stock externally). We never had big flowing external accessories to support big power internals.


Posted By: jpnjim
Date Posted: Oct/20/2018 at 12:24pm
I think the killer is that AMC used the same exact passenger car V8's they'd push a big Ambassador, or Wagoneer around with in their "performance" models.

In pure stock, 'performance' AMC's have to compete stock for stock with other brand cars that had bigger engines, Holley carbs, aluminum intakes, special high flow exhaust manifolds, solid cams, and application specific high flow cylinder heads designed as a total package.

AMC does very well and holds it's own once you level the playing field,
 but keeping the small carb, small cam and passenger car manifolds (as good as they are) must make it tough in a stock class.


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71 Javelin AMX P-code Go pac 360/4spd/3.91's
was Green/green now T/A red w/blk leather

88,89&98 Jeeps


Posted By: n2ojoe
Date Posted: Oct/20/2018 at 12:38pm
You treed me on my edit lol.

A few of the guys on this board run very well and hopefully they will chime in and correct me if I'm wrong. Dan Jensen has the quickest AMC pure stocker right now, a base 71 Javelin 401 auto that has been 12.70's I believe. Larry Waymouth's SC360 has run 12.90's, Rich Rinke's Scrambler has run 12.90's, Bob Witt and son have an SC360 that goes bottom 13's and a Scrambler that I saw 13.20 out of in September. My 70 AMX 390 4 speed has been 13.37. Rich Corsello's 68 AMX has been 13.40's.

Just to give you an idea of what's out there.


Posted By: ccowx
Date Posted: Oct/20/2018 at 12:58pm
I think for pure stock that just about anything is good, when compared apples to apples. They won't compete with the serious machines for all of the reasons above, but in the real world of cars that ran in the 14's and 15's back in the day we should do fine. COPO cars, 429 SCJ's, 440 six packs, etc we just don't have the parts or the cubes from the factory. My vote would go with an early hi compression 71 Javelin 401 4 speed, though any of the cars listed by N2O joe would work just fine!

For FAST racing, then the 72 Javelin 401/727 would be the one to have. The carb and intake can be hogged out somewhat, same with the exhaust. I would figure 600 hp out of that with the right talent and lighten the car to within an inch of it's life and you should be reasonably competitive.

Chris 


Posted By: scott
Date Posted: Oct/20/2018 at 1:30pm
Originally posted by n2ojoe n2ojoe wrote:

From the pure stock homepage link I posted:

"For 1955 to 1975 musclecars built in United States and Canadian assembly plants with a minimum warranty of 12 months and 12,000 miles. Factory lightweight cars built for sanctioned drag racing and dealership-built/modified cars are not eligible to participate. Cars must be factory equipped with a minimum of four-barrel carburetion, dual exhaust, and other factory-installed equipment that promotes a high-performance intent and image."


Too bad they require a 4 barrel carb & duals. A stripped 72 304 auto Gremlin could be a lot of fun with a carefully built driveline. And look cool while doing it. It might not be the fastest, but it would get attention.


Posted By: n2ojoe
Date Posted: Oct/20/2018 at 5:45pm
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Posted By: Trader
Date Posted: Oct/20/2018 at 5:50pm
I would think "pure stock" would include all "group 19" options as this is factory and warranty approved. Reading the rules it looks like if it is a "factory approved" option, regardless of who installed it then you would be good.
If this is the case, I'd go for the 1970 Javelin 390 or 360.
I like the AMX but the Javelin gives a better off line start, personal preference.


Posted By: ADAM12MATADOR
Date Posted: Oct/20/2018 at 6:51pm
No Group 19 parts are allowed. Also all parts must be year correct. No freeflow exhaust manifolds on a 19701971 and earlier auto cars must use a BW trans. You can do engine swaps. Joes Javelin was actually started life as a 6 cyl car, now sports a 401. Best recipe would be a built 994 trans, 6cyl drum front brakes, no sway bar, 6 cyl front springs, no a/c, column shift auto (lighter than console), 14" wheels (lighter than 15's) radio / heater delete.  Old racer trick, every 100 lbs is 1/10 th second off your ET.


Posted By: ccowx
Date Posted: Oct/20/2018 at 8:22pm
Unfortunately the curse of "Group 19" has followed AMC for 50 years in the homolgomation world! Group 19 loses out due to warranty issues, ie no warranty on cars so equipped, and also because of the dealer modified nature. Too bad because I could make a good case for it, based on the factory approved thing. I can understand why they did that, with things like Baldwin Motion cars being essentially built a la carte. There is not formula or standard for them so racers could do bloody near anything, but Group 19 did have a set parts list. Tough to know where to draw the line.

If they were allowed I would put my money on a 1970 AMX or Javelin with the 390, but hey, I might be biased! In all seriousness, the rules specifically state no "Dealership built or modified vehicles", which lets us out along with the Yenkos, Baldwin Motion cars, Grant Ramblers(would a 401 Gremlin not be fun!?) etc. 

I would think that the AMX would give better launches, slightly, due to shorter wheel base. Probably a 10th at best, but in racing that counts! 

Fun to think about!

Chris 


Posted By: jpnjim
Date Posted: Oct/21/2018 at 7:45am
I know that the feds would require manufacturers to submit each indivual version of each engine/transmission combination offered for emissions certification.

So they'd have to submit:
 a 49 state 304 3spd std
a 49 state 304 automatic
a California 304 3 spd std
a California 304 automatic
etc etc ect...

I think that's why very few "specials" like the Rebel Machine 390 were ever offered.

I think it was a question of resources like all AMC issues,
they couldn't rationalize a "special" aluminum intake, holley carb'd 390/401/427 with high port heads and high flow exhaust manifolds since it meant checking off all the boxes, going through all the procedures and red tape.

Easier to just label the AMX/SS's for competition only, no warrentee,
and for production cars just move the bigger car engines down to the smaller cars as-is,
like the Scrambler, and SC360.

It's awesome that AMC catered to that market at all,
but it's tough that the market was so small they couldn't justify sending a strictly performance engine through the system.

How nice would having a big cam, aluminum intake, holley carb 390 available from the factory in 1970 be for racers today?! Ouch



Oh well,
AMC did pretty good by me,
but the "what if's" will kill ya LOL


edit:
Thanks for posting thise pics N20Joe!
Wow they look awesome,
can only imagine how great they sound blasting down the line!


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71 Javelin AMX P-code Go pac 360/4spd/3.91's
was Green/green now T/A red w/blk leather

88,89&98 Jeeps


Posted By: ADAM12MATADOR
Date Posted: Oct/21/2018 at 8:47am
I agree that AMC was a contender in the performance wars considering their late entry into the game. Back in the day when i was street racing, alot of guys underestimated my cars. FAST class is just too competitive for an AMC product to actually be a contender. The fastest cars are running 9 second et's. The Pure Stock Drags appear to me to be  more affordable and more evenly matched. The one downfall on the 1970 and up cars are the carb. You haveto run an Autolite 4bbl. You might be able to cheat a little and use a Ford SCJ Autolite QJet with the large secondaries. My current project 1970 AMX will have an R4B and freeflow exhaust manifolds so i cant run Pure Stock. I might have to drag my 73 Z code Jav out of the backyard and build that.


Posted By: jpnjim
Date Posted: Oct/21/2018 at 9:29am
Originally posted by ADAM12MATADOR ADAM12MATADOR wrote:

. The one downfall on the 1970 and up cars are the carb. You haveto run an Autolite 4bbl. 

I never had an earlier AMC,
but I always thought the 70+ Ford 4bbl was superior in flow to the earlier Carter Carbs.

My favorite part of the Autolite was a Holley will bolt right in its spot LOL

But I have resisted the urge to swap on a Holley and used them in the past  a few times and I thought they were OK.

Were the earlier carbs able to support more HP?

Thanks


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71 Javelin AMX P-code Go pac 360/4spd/3.91's
was Green/green now T/A red w/blk leather

88,89&98 Jeeps


Posted By: n2ojoe
Date Posted: Oct/21/2018 at 9:42am
jpnjim, I think the earlier Carters were 625 cfm on the 390 engine. The AMC Autolite 4300 is 605 cfm. I've learned quite a bit by spending time with a fuel/air meter on my car. The Autolites are very lean stock but can be setup to run well after some tuning.


Posted By: ADAM12MATADOR
Date Posted: Oct/21/2018 at 9:59am
I am partial to the Holley based carbs. The Edlebrock carbs might be legal for Pure Stock Drags since they are Carter based. The Ford Super Cobra Jets used a Q-Jet base Autolite spreadbore. You would need an adapter to put them on a square flange intake. They are hard to find but look stock and flow about 750 / 800 cfm. The Autolites are good but they lack alot of tuneability.


Posted By: n2ojoe
Date Posted: Oct/21/2018 at 10:34am
Getting back to the original question, most of the pure stock racers I have talked to think the 70 AMX is the best platform. The wheel base promotes better weight transfer and less weight, the factory torque links on the rear axle, the newer front suspension, the functional ram air hood, optional 15" Machine wheels/E60 tires, and the high compression 390 are all reasons why. The log exhaust manifolds are a challenge. 
Per the rules, the tires could be stepped up to F60/15 for traction (though I still run E60 polyglas) and the stock 10.2:1 compression could be raised to 11.7:1 (I'm currently 10.8:1). I have fun with the 4 speed, but I definitely think an automatic is the way to go for consistent launches and the benefits from torque multiplication. 

Personally, I think Dan built his 71 Javelin right. He purposely choose the high compression 401 with free flows, bought the lightweight, base 6 cylinder car, and assembled the best combination of parts, maxed out to the rules. It looks great and runs very well.


Posted By: amxdreamer
Date Posted: Oct/21/2018 at 11:12am
Your car is a beauty Joe, it was great seeing it and talking to you at GAD!

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Tony
Vancouver, BC
1970 AMX
1972 Ambassador
AMO#10333


Posted By: n2ojoe
Date Posted: Oct/21/2018 at 11:52am
Originally posted by amxdreamer amxdreamer wrote:

Your car is a beauty Joe, it was great seeing it and talking to you at GAD!

I take that as a huge compliment coming from you Tony, thanks man! I was great meeting you too and getting to see that awesome AMX of yours. Maybe we'll get you to bring it to the pure stock drags one of these years!


Posted By: ADAM12MATADOR
Date Posted: Oct/21/2018 at 12:40pm
I saw Dan's Jav at MCACN last year, it is a sharp car.  Joe,what kind of 60ft do you get with your AMX?  I never had the chance to run my "70 AMX, 390 /auto at the track. My stock 69 AMX, 343 / auto went 14.50"s.  My 70 AMX 360 / auto only went 14.70's.  The 2 seat AMX is def a really good platform. How about a 67-69 American 2 door sedan with 343 ?


Posted By: n2ojoe
Date Posted: Oct/21/2018 at 1:32pm
My car has been 1.88 60' a few times, but usually low to mid 1.9's.

I've never been to MCACN, but Rich almost had me talked into bringing the AMX this year (just not enough vacation time left). I'll try and catch a ride out to the show with the Ketchum's.


Posted By: PHAT69AMX
Date Posted: Oct/21/2018 at 2:35pm
The SAE paper for the AMX 390 V-8 states 430 CFM for the Carter AFB but that's at 1.0" of Vacuum.
The "industry standard" for CFM of 4-Barrels carbs is 1.5" of Vacuum is it not ?
Hmmm... Guess it would be an early '71 high compression 401.... but still BW Trans...
so 4-Speed, like the sound of an early Rambler Rogue 343 4V 4-Speed... maybe... or SC/360...
Boy, not sure... interesting question...




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Posted By: Ram Air Rick
Date Posted: Oct/21/2018 at 2:57pm
 When I started looking into having some fun and setting our 68 AMX up for the Pure Stock Drags (2004), NHRA stock blueprint specifications were the guidelines that the PSMCDR used. In running the numbers then, AMC back in the day was playing catchup on how to bambozzle the NHRA, when it came to compression. 68 was the worst year and the numbers got progressively better as the years went on, reaching the pinnacle in 1971. Off the top of my head, max compression would have been around 10.8 in 1968 for a 390, 11.2 in a 1969 390, 12.5 in a 1970 390, and 14.77 for a 1971 401.

 I chose to do a 1968 AMX, because that's what I had to work with at the time and I wanted my son and I to begin having some fun. It's been a great ride ever since. we built ours to 10.6 compression.

 Right around the time Dan Jensen was going to build his 1971 401 base Javelin, NHRA torpedoed the AM stock blueprint specs and the compression's dropped. 

 PSMCDR organizers were getting ready to implement a change anyhow, to quell what was perceived as an unfair advantage towards other makes (not necessarily AMC). They came up with a new rule that all compression would be limited to a 1.5 compression point upgrade on top of advertised compression. that's the rule that stands today, so for instance our 68 AMX 390 with an advertised compression of 10.2 would now be allowed 11.7 max.

 Back then and as it is now, for Pure Stock racing, the 1971 401 Javelin and 1970 AMX have the most potential, followed closely by the 71 SC/360 Hornet.

 I think the 1972 401 Javelin with Chrysler trans has the most potential for FAST class racing as it has the best shortblock, heads, exhaust manifolds, and transmission to work with. How competitive could it be? Well it's not going to compete with the biggest boys, but you might nip the 10's if maxed out.

 I'm very happy and proud of our chosen brand. They offer good stout reliable platforms. They are limited because of non uber hi-po optional offerings as some of the other makes offered, but that's OK. We've got between 350 and 400 passes on our AMX since we began racing in it 2006. When we started I was the driver and my son Trevor was 8. Since 2014 he's been the driver and I'm the pit crew. I could not have asked for more fun dollar for dollar as we've enjoyed over these years. It's far exceeded my expectations for fun and for making cool friends.

 We sat out this year for the first time since 2006. My son now in college looked like he'd have conflicts with the race date and the cars overdue for a lot of little maintenance. Hoping to have her back in 2019.

 Rich C.


Posted By: Ram Air Rick
Date Posted: Oct/21/2018 at 3:01pm
Originally posted by PHAT69AMX PHAT69AMX wrote:

The SAE paper for the AMX 390 V-8 states 430 CFM for the Carter AFB but that's at 1.0" of Vacuum.
The "industry standard" for CFM of 4-Barrels carbs is 1.5" of Vacuum is it not ?
Hmmm... Guess it would be an early '71 high compression 401.... but still BW Trans...
so 4-Speed, like the sound of an early Rambler Rogue 343 4V 4-Speed... maybe... or SC/360...
Boy, not sure... interesting question...



 The more accepted figure for the Carter AFB's that the 390 would have had in 1968/69 is 585 cfm, from what I've read and been able to gather, using the 1.5' Hg standard.

 The Autolite 4300's used on the 70-74 AMC 360/390/401 are 605 cfm.




Posted By: n2ojoe
Date Posted: Oct/21/2018 at 3:46pm
Thanks for the correction on the Carters Rich, I was hoping you'd join in. 


Posted By: ccowx
Date Posted: Oct/21/2018 at 4:10pm
I have done a fair bit of research into the whole Group 19 thing and it is interesting and a definite case of AMC trying creatively to make up for their lack of resources. Unfortunately they missed the mark, with the program neither widely used nor being legal for most racing. 

You know, the mention above of the SAE papers made me think of something. I wonder if they would be a basis for a challenge to the rules for Pure Stock? The SAE papers includes almost every Group 19 piece with part numbers, listed as "service parts". The other thing is that I suspect that what they were trying to avoid with the "no dealer modified vehicles" is things like Baldwin Motion cars, Dana, Tasca Ford, etc. Those were specific dealerships serving a limited sales network or area and not supported by the factory. Furthermore there was no standard on the cars as to what was installed, so they would become a free for all. AMC listed the parts as options and they were specific parts available at any dealership, promoted by the factory. Biggest hurdle might be the need for a warranty. 

Chris 


Posted By: Ram Air Rick
Date Posted: Oct/21/2018 at 5:19pm
Originally posted by ccowx ccowx wrote:

I have done a fair bit of research into the whole Group 19 thing and it is interesting and a definite case of AMC trying creatively to make up for their lack of resources. Unfortunately they missed the mark, with the program neither widely used nor being legal for most racing. 

You know, the mention above of the SAE papers made me think of something. I wonder if they would be a basis for a challenge to the rules for Pure Stock? The SAE papers includes almost every Group 19 piece with part numbers, listed as "service parts". The other thing is that I suspect that what they were trying to avoid with the "no dealer modified vehicles" is things like Baldwin Motion cars, Dana, Tasca Ford, etc. Those were specific dealerships serving a limited sales network or area and not supported by the factory. Furthermore there was no standard on the cars as to what was installed, so they would become a free for all. AMC listed the parts as options and they were specific parts available at any dealership, promoted by the factory. Biggest hurdle might be the need for a warranty. 

Chris 

 Unfortunately, it's very simple. If it wasn't installed at the factory, on the assembly line, it isn't legal at the PSMCDR. Nothing can or will change or challenge that.

 My personal thoughts are that AMC did some incredible things during a time on the company when it wasn't easy to do so. I don't think they had the means to cover warrenty claims on hi revers that guys would shell regularly with other makes who could. If you look at what lil AM offered as potential, it was darn good ! I wish they'd have offered a few throw caution to the wind packages, to legitimize cars wer could have cloned today for these events.

 This is a little laughable now, but back it 1995, when I first became aware of PS style events, I thought about the potential a 401 XR Gremlin would have there. The internet wasn't around yet and I didn't know the factory assembly line rule yet. I saw and purchased a 401 XR Gremlin anyhow, as one came up for sale and my interest in them had already been piqued. I wound up selling it not long after the purchase because of marriage, house expansion, and the beginning my family commitments. That same car is now restored and will make it's debut at this years Muscle Car and Corvette Nationals in Rosemont IL. Nov 17th and 18th 2018.

 Even though I didn't participate this year at the PSD's, I had a blast hanging with Joey P and his uber cool 70 AMX. He keeps getting faster and faster. I think the rings are just beginning to seat ; ) 

 As for those who poo poo the Autolite 4300's, I respectfully disagree and I think they're good carbs., just misunderstood. My personal opinion is that the biggest thing they suffer from is being cycled through rebuilders who mismatch components and don't set them up right. I've has reason and occasion to put one through the paces on my 68 AMX with 68 390. I want to run one at the track once, just to see if my car runs quicker and has higher trap speeds. They feel stronger than when the AFB is on there.

 Best ET to date with my car is 13.44 and my best MPH is 104.69. I've never had a sub 2 second 60' with it : (   I'm hoping to rectify some of the things it ails from by next year, to include some solely needed cosmetics.  

 Rich C.


Posted By: WesternRed
Date Posted: Oct/21/2018 at 5:39pm
I'd be thinking 72 on Javelin/AMX for this, the extra 1.5 compression allowed would help the low comp 401 a lot with the mild cam restriction plus you get the 727 and free flow manifolds. What are you allowed to do with the trans if anything? Do you need to retain the factory smog equipment?

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Posted By: Ken_Parkman
Date Posted: Oct/21/2018 at 7:03pm
The flow conversion is the square root of the delta P, so 430 @ 1" hg is 527 @ 1.5" hg.


Posted By: amxdreamer
Date Posted: Oct/21/2018 at 7:06pm
Originally posted by n2ojoe n2ojoe wrote:

Originally posted by amxdreamer amxdreamer wrote:

Your car is a beauty Joe, it was great seeing it and talking to you at GAD!

I take that as a huge compliment coming from you Tony, thanks man! I was great meeting you too and getting to see that awesome AMX of yours. Maybe we'll get you to bring it to the pure stock drags one of these years!

I would totally be into bringing it out but unfortunately she has a few parts that would make her "not stock" therefor not eligible to race. Intake, carb, exhaust and the slightly bigger than stock cam. That and she is fat with all those options! LOL I've ran her at my local track with a PB of 14.3 @ 96. At Byron after the AMO Nationals I ran IIRC a 14.7 with no tuning changes. In fact I haven't put a timing light on the car since I fired the car for the first time!LOL



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Vancouver, BC
1970 AMX
1972 Ambassador
AMO#10333


Posted By: Sonic Silver
Date Posted: Oct/21/2018 at 7:08pm
Originally posted by amxdreamer amxdreamer wrote:

Originally posted by n2ojoe n2ojoe wrote:

Originally posted by amxdreamer amxdreamer wrote:

Your car is a beauty Joe, it was great seeing it and talking to you at GAD!

I take that as a huge compliment coming from you Tony, thanks man! I was great meeting you too and getting to see that awesome AMX of yours. Maybe we'll get you to bring it to the pure stock drags one of these years!

I would totally be into bringing it out but unfortunately she has a few parts that would make her "not stock" therefor not eligible to race. Intake, carb, exhaust and the slightly bigger than stock cam. That and she is fat with all those options! LOL I've ran her at my local track with a PB of 14.3 @ 96. At Byron after the AMO Nationals I ran IIRC a 14.7 with no tuning changes. In fact I haven't put a timing light on the car since I fired the car for the first time!LOL

You should empty all your goalie equipment out of the trunk next time.


Posted By: Ram Air Rick
Date Posted: Oct/21/2018 at 7:09pm
Originally posted by WesternRed WesternRed wrote:

I'd be thinking 72 on Javelin/AMX for this, the extra 1.5 compression allowed would help the low comp 401 a lot with the mild cam restriction plus you get the 727 and free flow manifolds. What are you allowed to do with the trans if anything? Do you need to retain the factory smog equipment?


As Joe pointed out earlier, we need to observe the two classes of racing here.

 Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race (Pure Stock) and Factory Stock are pretty much the same thing. Some small deviations from factory are allowed like exhaust upgrades to 2.5 " and 1.5 point bump from advertised compression, one tire size up from factory spec. . No porting, no extrude honing, casting numbers and general part numbers must be factory correct.

 F.A.S.T. (Factory Appearing Stock Tire) was born from the guys that had their own very liberal interpretation of the rules . There the cars must appear stock and run stock appearing parts but all possible internal modifications you can think of to engine, transmission, weight, are allowed. One mod there is to take a 727 and run heavy duty 904 guts which free up power by reducing parasitic drag. There are tons of tricks to get those cars to run the numbers they do. Compression ratio = skies the limit. 

 Hope this clears up a little

 Rich C.


Posted By: amxdreamer
Date Posted: Oct/21/2018 at 9:53pm
Originally posted by Sonic Silver Sonic Silver wrote:

Originally posted by amxdreamer amxdreamer wrote:

Originally posted by n2ojoe n2ojoe wrote:

Originally posted by amxdreamer amxdreamer wrote:

Your car is a beauty Joe, it was great seeing it and talking to you at GAD!

I take that as a huge compliment coming from you Tony, thanks man! I was great meeting you too and getting to see that awesome AMX of yours. Maybe we'll get you to bring it to the pure stock drags one of these years!

I would totally be into bringing it out but unfortunately she has a few parts that would make her "not stock" therefor not eligible to race. Intake, carb, exhaust and the slightly bigger than stock cam. That and she is fat with all those options! LOL I've ran her at my local track with a PB of 14.3 @ 96. At Byron after the AMO Nationals I ran IIRC a 14.7 with no tuning changes. In fact I haven't put a timing light on the car since I fired the car for the first time!LOL

You should empty all your goalie equipment out of the trunk next time.

I leave that in for weight bias.



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Vancouver, BC
1970 AMX
1972 Ambassador
AMO#10333


Posted By: WesternRed
Date Posted: Oct/21/2018 at 10:35pm
Originally posted by Ram Air Rick Ram Air Rick wrote:


Originally posted by WesternRed WesternRed wrote:

I'd be thinking 72 on Javelin/AMX for this, the extra 1.5 compression allowed would help the low comp 401 a lot with the mild cam restriction plus you get the 727 and free flow manifolds. What are you allowed to do with the trans if anything? Do you need to retain the factory smog equipment?



As Joe pointed out earlier, we need to observe the two classes of racing here.

 Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race (Pure Stock) and Factory Stock are pretty much the same thing. Some small deviations from factory are allowed like exhaust upgrades to 2.5 " and 1.5 point bump from advertised compression, one tire size up from factory spec. . No porting, no extrude honing, casting numbers and general part numbers must be factory correct.

 F.A.S.T. (Factory Appearing Stock Tire) was born from the guys that had their own very liberal interpretation of the rules . There the cars must appear stock and run stock appearing parts but all possible internal modifications you can think of to engine, transmission, weight, are allowed. One mod there is to take a 727 and run heavy duty 904 guts which free up power by reducing parasitic drag. There are tons of tricks to get those cars to run the numbers they do. Compression ratio = skies the limit. 

 Hope this clears up a little

 Rich C.


Yes, I was referring to the Pure Stock class, thinking a 1.5 boost in compression would be more useful with the mild cam restrictions on a low compression 401 than it would be on say an already high compression 390. Most talk here has been about engine specs, I was just interested on what could or couldn't be done with the transmission since you could probably do more with the TF than the BW if choosing to run auto. What about torque converters?

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Posted By: Ram Air Rick
Date Posted: Oct/22/2018 at 5:09am
Originally posted by WesternRed WesternRed wrote:

I'd be thinking 72 on Javelin/AMX for this, the extra 1.5 compression allowed would help the low comp 401 a lot with the mild cam restriction plus you get the 727 and free flow manifolds. What are you allowed to do with the trans if anything? Do you need to retain the factory smog equipment?

 You are not required to run the factory smog equipment. It can be removed. This of course would be moot on automatic transmission cars, since they were not required to run smog equip..

 Converters suppose to be of stock stall.

 Rich C.


Posted By: n2ojoe
Date Posted: Oct/22/2018 at 7:11am
Go to: http://psmcdr.com for all rules, past results, contact info, and more about the Pure Stock Musclecar Drag Race.

Regarding the automatic transmissions, here is the verbage from the rules:

Automatic Transmissions

The transmission must be correct for the year, make, model, and horsepower claimed. Shift improver kits are allowed. Aftermarket shifters are not allowed. No manual valve bodies. Lightweight purpose-built, drag racing transmissions NOT allowed (for example Pro Trans, Kilgore, etc.). Just switching to aluminum drums is illegal. Anyone caught will be banned from the event until corrected! Torque converters must be within 1 inch of the stock outside diameter. Maximum stall limited to 2200 rpm. Higher stall speeds will require factory documentation.



Posted By: WesternRed
Date Posted: Oct/22/2018 at 7:54am
Thanks for the link, made for a good read. I wish we had some interesting race classes like that down here in Australia. Seems like there is some scope for fancy cam grinding if you want to take cheating to the next level. Like most things, if you start punching above your weight, I'm assuming questions would soon be asked.

I would be out on the paint and appearance requirements, where I would fail miserably wothout even getting into other modifications, "The car must have a presentable appearance. No primered areas, mismatched paint, or large rust-holes alloweed", the rust holes really aren't that big. 


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Posted By: Steve_P
Date Posted: Oct/22/2018 at 9:44am
Originally posted by Ken_Parkman Ken_Parkman wrote:

The flow conversion is the square root of the delta P, so 430 @ 1" hg is 527 @ 1.5" hg.

This is correct (of course).  Whenever I say this carb is rated at 527 CFM the stories and excuses start on how it's 600 CFM or more.


Posted By: Steve_P
Date Posted: Oct/22/2018 at 9:47am
Originally posted by Trader Trader wrote:

I would think "pure stock" would include all "group 19" options as this is factory and warranty approved. Reading the rules it looks like if it is a "factory approved" option, regardless of who installed it then you would be good.
If this is the case, I'd go for the 1970 Javelin 390 or 360.
I like the AMX but the Javelin gives a better off line start, personal preference.

Group 19 parts, even just an R4B, voided essentially your entire warranty- including powertrain- but also steering and suspension!  There is a paper from AMC to the dealerships stating this.


Posted By: n2ojoe
Date Posted: Oct/22/2018 at 10:27am
Originally posted by Steve_P Steve_P wrote:

Originally posted by Ken_Parkman Ken_Parkman wrote:

The flow conversion is the square root of the delta P, so 430 @ 1" hg is 527 @ 1.5" hg.

This is correct (of course).  Whenever I say this carb is rated at 527 CFM the stories and excuses start on how it's 600 CFM or more.

Wow, this makes the ET's of the pre 1970 Pure Stock AMC's even that much more impressive to me!


Posted By: Ken_Parkman
Date Posted: Oct/22/2018 at 4:29pm
I put all the carbs on the flow bench. My bench is not big enough to properly flow a carb - for that you need a vacuum cleaner with a direct connection to the electrical powerplant and enough suction to vacuum the roof off the building - but I could turn it wide open and measure a delta p so I had a comparison between carbs. The 70 up Motorcraft flows more than the AFB. Both are smaller than a 600 Holley. Also learned aftermarket carb flow ratings are a marketing game and not really related to how big the carb is.

BTW 1" is still a fairly high pressure drop for serious performance, but not bad. Those AMC engineers had a clue.


Posted By: scott
Date Posted: Oct/22/2018 at 5:06pm
Back in the infancy of stock musclecar drags, the late 80's, early 90's, I used to race my 71 Javelin AMX 401 automatic 3:54 gears. It was stone stock, never touched or messed with.

The first event I went to was the best, 1987's Supercar Showdown at Quaker City in Ohio. The cool thing about this event was that every car that wanted to race had to drive from the host hotel to the track, something like 40 miles, took about an hour. Everyone went in a big parade, intersections were closed off, & we went on both the 4 lane highway & 2 lane back roads. They had spotters at different locations taking down your car # to make sure everyone made the drive, no shortcuts allowed. NO trailers allowed!! I would guess there were 75 to 100 cars, some really unusual stuff like an early 60's Mopar with the Sonoramic dual quads set way out, a Hurst 300 Chrysler, a 64 Olds 442 & lots that I have forgotten. There were only a couple regular racers there, everyone else was pretty new to drag racing. Just a super fun time all around. The same event held at the same track in later years was OK, but never as good as the first year it was at Quaker City.

I also ran a few races that Musclecar Review magazine put on called Musclecar Nationals. The races I went to were at Norwalk. That was a really nice event, show on Saturday, race on Sunday.

Anyways, people want to know what it ran. First time out, really no idea what I was doing it ran 15 flat. As I got more experience, different tires, & some ignition tuning, it ran a best of 14.31, I think the MPH was 98 or 99. Most of the time it would be 14.50's. This car is probably fairly heavy as Javelins go, lots of small options that add weight. Front spoiler, console, fold down arm rest, vinyl top, 15 X 7 wheels all add a few pounds.

Just a couple of pics for you.



Posted By: nda racer
Date Posted: Nov/06/2018 at 12:01pm
Originally posted by Ken_Parkman Ken_Parkman wrote:

I put all the carbs on the flow bench. My bench is not big enough to properly flow a carb - for that you need a vacuum cleaner with a direct connection to the electrical powerplant and enough suction to vacuum the roof off the building - but I could turn it wide open and measure a delta p so I had a comparison between carbs. The 70 up Motorcraft flows more than the AFB. Both are smaller than a 600 Holley. Also learned aftermarket carb flow ratings are a marketing game and not really related to how big the carb is.

BTW 1" is still a fairly high pressure drop for serious performance, but not bad. Those AMC engineers had a clue.


Do you still have the Data from that test, Ken? I had the link saved to where you posted it on Fran's forum years ago, but since his forum went down, I lost the info. I wish I'd screen shotted and saved it.

All these Carb recommendations are always coming up on AMC forum esp FB (where's there's some real hopeless cases) and people thinking a Edelcrap 600 and Holley 600 are equal, let alone standard old series Holley and the HP/Avengers are equal as well, give me a headache.

You're testing, plus track testing has proved that wrong. A few other sources have touched on it as well. But I haven't seen them do the testing you did.


Posted By: nda racer
Date Posted: Nov/06/2018 at 12:05pm
That was a sweet event, Scott. A couple buddies of mine used to run it. One won his class the one year with his 68 GTO. Stock Big Block.

I have a Car Craft here somewhere a guy was running a Green 71 SST Jav with a 401. Can't remember his name, I think he won his class.


Posted By: n2ojoe
Date Posted: Nov/09/2018 at 11:32am
Thanks for sharing the story and pictures Scott! That sounds like it was a fun event.

Here is a little press from this year's Pure Stock drags-

https://www.hotrod.com/articles/11-second-muscle-cars-2018-pure-stock-drags/


Posted By: racerM95
Date Posted: Jan/11/2019 at 3:48pm
I would do a 360 Hornet Hatch Back, was a better platform than say Gremlin.... The areo (if you could call it that), was better. Remember they used them for Pro Stock...


Posted By: sweatlock
Date Posted: Mar/03/2019 at 9:06pm
The ‘72 Javelin w/ a 401 and 727 auto keeps getting picked, but the guy with the fastest stock car has a ‘71 Javelin w/ a 401 and a Borg Warner M12. 

No AMC’er wants to admit that the BW M12 auto is actually a pretty good tranny, lol.


Posted By: mixed up
Date Posted: Mar/03/2019 at 11:18pm
if you have a good builder the fmx ford witch is the bother of these was not that bad of a trans it probably is the first gear ratio compared to the 727 witch make it  the good one 

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69 amx 290 auto
65 220 290 4spd
80 ford fairmont


Posted By: amxron
Date Posted: Mar/09/2019 at 1:30am
The Borg-Warner M-12 has a more efficient gear train than most automatics.  The biggest problem is the cast iron center support will break under high horsepower and the bands need to be adjusted every 12k miles on the early ones.   The later FMX versions holdup much better.
 
Most people don't know they were used in Fords (starting in 1951), Studes, AMC's, Jags and several
European cars for several decades.
 
Ron.


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Orbit AMC/Jeep
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Posted By: n2ojoe
Date Posted: Sep/10/2019 at 8:02pm
It's that time again. It sounds like there will be a few forum members racing again this year! See you there 😁

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Posted By: n2ojoe
Date Posted: Sep/16/2019 at 7:10pm
My AMX at the Pure Stock Drags. He didn't get all the facts quite right in the video, but it turned out pretty good! I was paired up with the GTO on Saturday for the best out of 3 shootout. Super nice guy, and he took it well 😋





Posted By: amxdreamer
Date Posted: Sep/16/2019 at 10:24pm
Great job representing our beloved AMC Joe! 



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Tony
Vancouver, BC
1970 AMX
1972 Ambassador
AMO#10333


Posted By: Jmerican
Date Posted: Sep/17/2019 at 1:57am
Way to roast that goat. 


Posted By: Judo390
Date Posted: Sep/17/2019 at 9:37am
Great to see. Thanks for showing the flag and making us all look good.

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Posted By: n2ojoe
Date Posted: Sep/17/2019 at 3:55pm
Thanks guys, let's get a few more AMC's at the race next year!


Posted By: Ram Air Rick
Date Posted: Sep/17/2019 at 7:41pm
Nice work Joe!

Great hanging out with you over both days.

The 65 GTO (beautiful car) ran good too and Bruce the owner really is a class act.


You were clicking through the gears like Ronnie Sox on steroids Thumbs Up


Posted By: n2ojoe
Date Posted: Sep/17/2019 at 8:57pm
😁Ha! Thanks Rich, great to see ya again. Get your car back in shape for next year!


Posted By: PHAT69AMX
Date Posted: Sep/17/2019 at 10:57pm
Go Get'Em Tiger !....  uh.... er..... uh...  wait a minute... Pinch

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Posted By: txamx
Date Posted: Sep/18/2019 at 8:46pm
Joe’s ‘70 AMX runs as good as it looks!  Nothing like seeing a beautiful AMX running wicked fast!

Look forward to seeing you next year Joe!


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Posted By: n2ojoe
Date Posted: Sep/18/2019 at 9:30pm
Originally posted by txamx txamx wrote:

Joe’s ‘70 AMX runs as good as it looks!  Nothing like seeing a beautiful AMX running wicked fast!

Look forward to seeing you next year Joe

Thanks John, and I'm so glad your 68 AMX was able to make its PSD debut! Absolutely the nicest AMC in attendance! I can't wait to see how the photoshoot turns out 😉

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