Rambler T5 conversion
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Topic: Rambler T5 conversion
Posted By: nickleone
Subject: Rambler T5 conversion
Date Posted: Aug/09/2018 at 10:28am
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I followed tomj with the T5 conversion for the 196. Tom used a Sach clutch disc for a 93 Mustang turbo 4 cyl. I found one from Brute Power The disc does NOT fit the Rambler pressure plate. The pressure plate has a 4.75 inch hole for the disc. The disc has a 5.3 inch spring retainer plate on the pressure plate side. I also had an Alfa Romero disc to compare. It is the same as the Mustang dimensions. Looks like I am going to re drill the flywheel for the Mustang pressure plate. Question does anyone have a Sach disc to measure? Nick
------------- nick 401 71 Gremlin pro rally car sold 390 V8 SX/4 pro rally car sold 1962 Classic SW T5 4 wheel disc brakes |
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Posted By: 232jav3sp
Date Posted: Aug/09/2018 at 12:30pm
| Is there a possibility that the mustang pressure plate will fit in the Rambler flywheel? I've done the T5 swap twice on early 232's, and I know the Mustang pressure plate will fit in that flywheel. Just needs to be drilled and tapped. Using the Mustang pressure plate means to can always get one. |
Posted By: nickleone
Date Posted: Aug/09/2018 at 12:54pm
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tomj shows the Ford pressure plate against the Rambler flywheel. Yes a re drill will be needed. Nick ------------- nick 401 71 Gremlin pro rally car sold 390 V8 SX/4 pro rally car sold 1962 Classic SW T5 4 wheel disc brakes |
Posted By: tomj
Date Posted: Aug/10/2018 at 12:12am
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i'm so sad i didn't measure the diameter of the spring disk of the Sachs disc. the only image i have of it is this: http://sr-ix.com/AMC/1961-Rambler-Roadster/transmission/images/I%20clutch%20preassembly1.jpg" rel="nofollow - http://sr-ix.com/AMC/1961-Rambler-Roadster/transmission/images/I%20clutch%20preassembly1.jpg my Sachs disc fit inside my Rambler pressure plate just fine. (no i didn't put it in backwards :-) but i recall nothing more. almost! tape measure across the wrong side of the Sachs driven disc here: http://sr-ix.com/AMC/1961-Rambler-Roadster/transmission/T5research/images/9%20inch%20disc.jpg" rel="nofollow - http://sr-ix.com/AMC/1961-Rambler-Roadster/transmission/T5research/images/9%20inch%20disc.jpg maybe you can infer dimensions from this one. FORD PRESSURE PLATE ON RAMBLER FLYWHEEL: its sooooo tantalizingly close! like a 1/8" diameter difference. here's a pick of them lined up: http://sr-ix.com/AMC/1961-Rambler-Roadster/transmission/T5research/images/IMG_20161206_092327.jpg" rel="nofollow - http://sr-ix.com/AMC/1961-Rambler-Roadster/transmission/T5research/images/IMG_20161206_092327.jpg (all from my t5 notes page) http://sr-ix.com/AMC/1961-Rambler-Roadster/transmission/T5research/index.html" rel="nofollow - http://sr-ix.com/AMC/1961-Rambler-Roadster/transmission/T5research/index.html ------------- 1960 Rambler Super two-door wagon, OHV auto 1961 Roadster American, 195.6 OHV, T5 http://www.ramblerLore.com |
Posted By: tomj
Date Posted: Aug/10/2018 at 12:48am
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ok there are some better pics of the Sachs disc on the 8" AMC pressure plate. from this page http://sr-ix.com/AMC/1961-Rambler-Roadster/transmission/T5research/index.html" rel="nofollow - http://sr-ix.com/AMC/1961-Rambler-Roadster/transmission/T5research/index.html sachs disc on amc 8". you can see that the sachs spring plate *just fits* in the AMC hole. i know that there are photos of the 8" PP with tape measure, so from that you can determine sachs spring plate diameter pretty close. http://sr-ix.com/AMC/1961-Rambler-Roadster/transmission/T5research/images/IMG_20161206_092830.jpg" rel="nofollow - http://sr-ix.com/AMC/1961-Rambler-Roadster/transmission/T5research/images/IMG_20161206_092830.jpg right below that image is this one, of the spring disc side of the sachs driven disc http://sr-ix.com/AMC/1961-Rambler-Roadster/transmission/T5research/images/IMG_20161206_092839.jpg" rel="nofollow - http://sr-ix.com/AMC/1961-Rambler-Roadster/transmission/T5research/images/IMG_20161206_092839.jpg i took a lot of pics and measurements, as it was a very tricky project. a 64-up car would be a lot easier. these early chassis are tough to work with. the rear motor mount business, i should have just eliminated it by using a later fully closed bell and fabricating a modern type "Tri poised power" type mount system off the back of the trans. i don't trust the strength of the open-bottom little bell for that, right where it needs stiffness from that heavy engine there's a big hole, and its only cast aluminum anyway. without thr whole shape there's a lot of stress on the bottom two ears. that 'research' page has a lot of trivia and measurements. i didnt know how to organize it further so it is as it is. ------------- 1960 Rambler Super two-door wagon, OHV auto 1961 Roadster American, 195.6 OHV, T5 http://www.ramblerLore.com |
Posted By: nickleone
Date Posted: Aug/10/2018 at 1:06pm
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Tom, When I get back from Speed Week I will get a SACH clutch locally. SACH might STILL be building them with the small dia spring retainer. News at 11. Nick ------------- nick 401 71 Gremlin pro rally car sold 390 V8 SX/4 pro rally car sold 1962 Classic SW T5 4 wheel disc brakes |
Posted By: Modern Driveline
Date Posted: Aug/17/2018 at 10:28am
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For those looking to convert clutches to accept a Ford T-5, Modern Driveline offers in house built clutches to do this along with the T-5 adapter plates. feel free to contact us direct with questions. 208-453-9800 http://transmission.moderndriveline.com/speed/pc/Ford-T-5-to-AMC-Nash-Rambler-Adapter-plate-7p572.htm - http://transmission.moderndriveline.com/speed/pc/Ford-T-5-to-AMC-Nash-Rambler-Adapter-plate-7p572.htm http://transmission.moderndriveline.com/speed/pc/Ford-T-5-to-AMC-Nash-Rambler-Adapter-plate-7p573.htm - http://transmission.moderndriveline.com/speed/pc/Ford-T-5-to-AMC-Nash-Rambler-Adapter-plate-7p573.htm |
Posted By: tomj
Date Posted: Aug/18/2018 at 12:23am
the small diameter of the driven disc (so-called 8", closer to 8.5") is the issue and only for this one chassis and the oddball little bellhousing. for all other AMC apps the 9" clutch is a lot easier to find. can MDL put together 8" driven discs? and thanks so much for the dedication and the quality adapter! the T-5 really brought my car alive. ------------- 1960 Rambler Super two-door wagon, OHV auto 1961 Roadster American, 195.6 OHV, T5 http://www.ramblerLore.com |
Modern Driveline wrote:Posted By: amcfool1
Date Posted: Aug/18/2018 at 7:46am
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hi, I also have a Modern Driveline T5, with the custom shifter location, in my 77 Hornet AMX, and I love it! The only issue was that the splines on the input shaft did not go back far enough, but this was solved with MDL's 3/16" spacer plate. thanks, gz ------------- george z |