Air compressor...
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Topic: Air compressor...
Posted By: BrotherBamc
Subject: Air compressor...
Date Posted: Jul/07/2018 at 2:23pm
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I am in need of a new air compressor for my garage/shop. The old craftsman that I have had since probably the early 2000's is going by the way side and has been for the past year. The one that I have now is a non oiling type. There is no way to service it. You can drain the air from it and that's about it. As I was using it the other night I noticed that the air pressure gage was pulsating and I was getting tiger striped paint lines. And it seems it can not keep up, no matter what tool I use. D.A. sander starts off at a really good high speed when the pressure is about 80 or 90 but when it gets below 60 things really slow down. So, I think it's time to replace the old with something new. The only option that I have is too keep it below 600 bucks. I don't really use the compressor a lot. I don't use air ratchets, I do everything by hand or with a breaker bar. I do air up tires and blow things off when cleaning. But lately I have been using the D.A. sander a lot and I have been putting primer on my Gremlin and will soon be trying to paint it..  Been looking at this from Sears... https://www.sears.com/craftsman-professional-27-gallon-super-quiet-vertical-portable/p-00916474000P?rrec=true But with Sears going under soon, I am not too keen with Sears, but something similar. And already having gone through a Sears compressor, again, not to keen on Sears products. I do have a Northern Tool catalog that has a North Star listed for just a little over 500 bucks but it's only a 20 gallon. And it's not listed on its web site either so no link. It is an oil lubricated pump. My needs will be 120 v. Sorry no 220. Used for paint, sanding and general automotive use. Has to be serviceable, and I would prefer a vertical tank. I'd like a larger tank like a 50 or 60 gallon but I think a smaller tank will suffice. Pretty simple stuff. So what does everyone have in their garage and have used for years that cost's less then 5 or 6 hundred bucks...??? Thanks in advance..!!! William Edit: Free shipping is a really huge plus also..!!!
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Posted By: BrotherBamc
Date Posted: Jul/07/2018 at 2:31pm
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Found the Northern Tool link... https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200518764_200518764?isSearch=25653 ------------- 77 CJ5 360 73 Gremlin 401 4 speed 2006 Dodge Magnum R/T AWD http://www.lxforums.com/board/garage.php?do=user_garage_view&id=19745" rel="nofollow - My Garage |
Posted By: Samuelsc360
Date Posted: Jul/07/2018 at 3:04pm
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The problem is that everything that's going to be big enough to paint and run a DA is going to be 220V. You need 9 cfm with a 60 gallon tank. ------------- 1971 SC360 1973 Ambassador Sedan 360 1973 Hornet X 360 1973 Javelin AMC 401 1975 Sportabout X 258 |
Posted By: tufcj
Date Posted: Jul/07/2018 at 3:56pm
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I've been running a Craftsman 3HP, 30 gallon horizontal tank compressor (220V) since the early 1980s. I had to replace the pressure switch last year. 1st repair in 35 years. I've been looking at an 80 gallon vertical for my new shop. TSC has some pretty good deals on Ingersol-Rand stuff. https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/search/compressor" rel="nofollow - https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/search/compressor Bob tufcj ------------- 69 AMX 74 Javelin AMX 67 Rogue If you need a tool and don't buy it... you'll eventually pay for it... and not have it. Henry Ford |
Posted By: 6PakBee
Date Posted: Jul/07/2018 at 4:04pm
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Wow. 115 volt? $600? Absolute largest motor you can support at 115 volts is about 3 hp at 25 amps full load. No extension cords here. With these constraints this is about what you'll find. http://www.aircompressorsdirect.com/Eagle-P3120H1-CC-Air-Compressor/p5483.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.aircompressorsdirect.com/Eagle-P3120H1-CC-Air-Compressor/p5483.html Use your old compressor's tank for an auxiliary reservoir. ------------- Roger Gazur 1969 'B' Scheme SC/Rambler 1970 RWB 4-spd Machine 1970 Sonic Silver auto AMX All project cars. Forum Cockroach |
Posted By: BrotherBamc
Date Posted: Jul/07/2018 at 5:01pm
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Sounds like I need to have a 220 line put in. I think that will open up a lot of doors then. I did find this at Northern Tool... https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200641297_200641297?isSearch=47500 I think that one will work just fine... Keep you all posted on progress.. Thanks...!! ------------- 77 CJ5 360 73 Gremlin 401 4 speed 2006 Dodge Magnum R/T AWD http://www.lxforums.com/board/garage.php?do=user_garage_view&id=19745" rel="nofollow - My Garage |
Posted By: jblue1555
Date Posted: Jul/07/2018 at 6:39pm
| Ingersol 2 stage from tractor supply . Can’t outrun it. Great price. Buy once no need for another |
Posted By: Ollie
Date Posted: Jul/08/2018 at 7:08am
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A 220 line will pay for itself vs cost of running a 110. Nothing to it if you have a breaker panel in your shop. Having AMC Fun, Ollie ------------- 1966 American Convertible -- "The Rambler"..SOLD 1974 Postal Jeep -- "Rapid Delivery"...SOLD 1969 Rambler 220 post car--"Road Warrior" 1989 Jeep Comanche Pioneer, 4.0L, auto, 2wd |
Posted By: RTTComanche17
Date Posted: Jul/09/2018 at 4:01pm
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Sounds like you are already convinced about 220v, but I will chime in as I actually own the Craftsman 27 gallon you linked in your first post. I think the Craftsman is a great little compressor - for what it is. I spent a couple months researching what I wanted as I needed something that could run an air tool intermittently, be easily moved, and run on 110v as i was renting at the time and had no idea what power would be available at the next place. I settled on the Craftsman. For what i asked for, it has done really well. One of my roommates painted his motor cycle with it, but it will not be capable of a whole car. It will run the DA/air tools, but only intermittently. But what sold me is it is very quiet - as in i can stand next to it and have a conversation with my buddy without hardly raising my voice while it is running. I was not looking to wake the neighborhood when it kicked on. The same cannot be said for any direct drive, oil-less units or some of the cast iron pump units. However, as it is an aluminum pump, they plain don't last as long as the cast iron pumps and they have an inconvenient duty cycle - something like 1000 hours and 60% Duty Cycle if I remember correctly - which make air tools even more prohibitive (I think the cast pumps I was looking at were 5000 hours and 80-100% duty cycle). None of this bothered me when i bought it ~4 years ago due to the my above requirements, but now that i have my own place, it has been replaced with dedicated 220v, 60 gallon unit that I was able to pick up used. Again, great little compressor that will do 90% of what you need, but I bought mine knowing that it would be replaced with a larger, dedicated 220v unit down the road. That replacement happened sooner than I anticipated, but only because a "too good to pass up" deal fell in my lap. I won't need the bigger one until the body work on my '67 American starts, but I'm happy I have the bigger one since i know the 27 gal. craftsman won't cut it. Echoing what others have said, since you know you will be doing paint/bodywork in the near future, I too think you should step up to a dedicated 220v unit that can support your needs. You will thank yourself later. ------------- 1967 Rambler American #1 - junkyard rescue parts car 1967 Rambler American #2 - project car, but it runs!...for now... |
Posted By: BrotherBamc
Date Posted: Jul/09/2018 at 4:23pm
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I'll probably keep the old Craftsman for other needs. My Girlfriend is probably going to need one here in the short future and it'll work perfect for her wood/craft projects. I've had no complaints about my Craftsman. It is rather noisy and has been getting that way for the past couple of years now. I had the chance years ago to put 220 in the garage when I had that 120 line put in. I didn't heed my own thoughts at that time. I won't need a 220 line...!!! That compressor will work fine for what I was doing...(at that time it did) Nothing like I am doing now and plan to in the future. Compressor has been ordered. Should be here in about 10 to 12 days. Electrician has also been called for an estimate and they'll be here in the morning. Guess I had better make some room in the garage now. For both compressors and for the electricians to do what they have to do. ------------- 77 CJ5 360 73 Gremlin 401 4 speed 2006 Dodge Magnum R/T AWD http://www.lxforums.com/board/garage.php?do=user_garage_view&id=19745" rel="nofollow - My Garage |
Posted By: 6PakBee
Date Posted: Jul/09/2018 at 5:19pm
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Congratulations on running in 220. It opens up a whole new level of capability. Need a plasma cutter? Got it covered. Have a big steam cleaner? Got it covered. Have an arc welder? Got it covered. A whole new level. ------------- Roger Gazur 1969 'B' Scheme SC/Rambler 1970 RWB 4-spd Machine 1970 Sonic Silver auto AMX All project cars. Forum Cockroach |
Posted By: LouB
Date Posted: Jan/02/2021 at 10:48am
| I agree, you have to get 220 installed. Shop air is probably the most important tool for me in my shop. A few of my tools (Plasma cutter & Mig Welder) will run on either 110/220 but 220 is so much better. My feeling is you can never have enough air so spend a little more money and get as big (CFM) as you can get. I have a Quincy 80 Gal, 2 stage and it's great. The next thing is to get your air dry. Also, you should drain the compressor often. My2Cents.. |
Posted By: 6768rogues
Date Posted: Jan/02/2021 at 12:46pm
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If you dig into the specs usually you can find the decibel level of sound a compressor makes. I had a Sears unit but returned it because it was really loud. I found a 3 cylinder belt drive low RPM oil lubricated compressor that is reasonably quiet. It was beyond your budget but pay attention to the noise level. ------------- Content intended for mature audiences. If you experience nausea or diarrhea, stop reading and seek medical attention. Located usually near Rochester, NY and sometimes central FL. |
Posted By: Steve_P
Date Posted: Jan/02/2021 at 7:08pm
| compressors that produce more than 15CFM are all loud unless you spend >$3K for a low RPM unit with a titanic pump. I have a Quincy QT7.5 and it's not inexpensive. And it's loud. If I could do it again, I'd spend more $ on something else, maybe a Saylor Beall but at the time the Quincy was more than I could afford. |
Posted By: 6PakBee
Date Posted: Mar/24/2021 at 7:33am
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I have an Industrial Air compressor with a big American flag plastered on it with a "Made in USA" sticker. They must have been talking about the tank and the motor because the pump is a Chinese knockoff of a Saylor Beall 705. When that pump dies, a Saylor is replacing it. ------------- Roger Gazur 1969 'B' Scheme SC/Rambler 1970 RWB 4-spd Machine 1970 Sonic Silver auto AMX All project cars. Forum Cockroach |
Posted By: BrotherBamc
Date Posted: Mar/24/2021 at 11:16am
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Hopefully I won't be having to replace anything on the Northstar that I have anytime soon. It's still pumping out the air and building pressure as it should. The 220 line has been a life saver and should of had one put in years ago. One thing that I have been thinking about though.. If these tanks are so prone to rusting from the inside out, then why don't the people who make them line the inside of the tank with some type of non rusting paint or something..?? I do keep it drained when not in use, but still get quite a bit of nasty rusty water out of it when I do drain it. Just a thought..  ------------- 77 CJ5 360 73 Gremlin 401 4 speed 2006 Dodge Magnum R/T AWD http://www.lxforums.com/board/garage.php?do=user_garage_view&id=19745" rel="nofollow - My Garage |
Posted By: Steve_P
Date Posted: Mar/24/2021 at 12:56pm
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Compressor tanks (at least from quality manufacturers) aren't very prone to rusting to the point of pinhole leaks or failure. yes, if you search images you'll see plenty of fractured or exploded tanks. But for a reality check, I've seen tanks dated in the 1950s, that were used in small shops since new, still in use 20 years ago. And anything used in a business most likely will not be drained like it should. When I worked in a shop we'd maybe drain the tank yearly (~80 gal horizontal) when the owner told someone to, and literally gallons of water would come out- it was in the basement. And it was probably 40 yrs old at that time. Terrible, and not recommended, but reality. Drain it every few times you use it and it'll outlast you. If you can, install a length of pipe so that the water fills the pipe and not initially the tank. I have a small plastic takeout food round container under the drain valve in mine, and this reminds me to drain it more often that I did before I had the pan there. |
Posted By: amxron
Date Posted: Oct/17/2021 at 1:02am
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Try tiptools.com they have everything you need and show how to use them. Ron. ------------- AMXron Fleet/Jeep Mgr. Orbit AMC/Jeep 50-1787 |