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Topic: Installing rear window lovers
Posted By: rbbruno3
Subject: Installing rear window lovers
Date Posted: Nov/02/2017 at 2:55pm
I just picked up a set of these louvers. They came with no hardware, what do I need? Does anyone have this hardware or pictures of them on the car ? Thanks



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Posted By: 68-73 amx
Date Posted: Nov/02/2017 at 6:17pm
Picture would help , or brand name..


Posted By: rbbruno3
Date Posted: Nov/02/2017 at 6:52pm
. Sorry I meant to post pictures


Posted By: 68-73 amx
Date Posted: Nov/02/2017 at 9:45pm
It looks similar to louvers on my 73 AMX . Its hinged at the top so you can clean the rear window, the holes at the top of louver is where you nut and bolt the hinge together. Looks like you are going to have to make the hinge piece out of sheet metal that tucks under the s/s window trim. (I used clear waterprof silicone to hold it in place) Same thing for the hold down buttons on the sides. They ( buttons ) somehow attach to a sheet metal female piece that your going to have to make that goes under s/s side window trim and glued to window, These are what locks louver to window.  If you have trouble making top hindged piece I could send a picture ,unfortunely your side attaching pieces are different but the same idea.


Posted By: rbbruno3
Date Posted: Nov/03/2017 at 8:27am
I would love to see pictures of how it hooks to tha trim. Thanks


Posted By: AMXRWB
Date Posted: Nov/03/2017 at 8:44am
You will need to fab your own.


Posted By: rodhhrod
Date Posted: Nov/03/2017 at 12:28pm
Looks like the same ones I have, except yours looks like fiberglass or just dirty mine are metal. I have pic's of the mounts and also installation instructions. Have an e-mail address and I will send them to you. Can't seem to post pic's here.
Rod 


Posted By: AMC Okie
Date Posted: Nov/04/2017 at 1:03pm
summit has the set. call them after you get pics of the kind you need. there are several different hold downs/mounting styles. I ordered mine through summit but don't remember the part number.

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69 "GO PACK AMX"
73 Javelin 43,000 mile,origanl SURVIVOR
68 Javelin parts car
39 Ford coupe
48 Chevy coupe
2004 Dodge 1500 Rumble Bee
2005 Pontiac Solstice
Charlie S.


Posted By: rbbruno3
Date Posted: Nov/04/2017 at 7:33pm
Thanks for your replies guys


Posted By: White70JavelinSST
Date Posted: Nov/06/2017 at 4:57pm
I have a set of louvers that I recently purchased from a guy on your end of the States.

They look exactly like the one in your pic. Two piece as well. With a single center rod.

I ordered this set of mounting hardware today because it looks correct for the louvers according to the information I acquired from rodhhrod and the guy I bought the louvers from.

I believe the name of the manufacturer is Sport Shades. To the best of my knowledge that company no longer exists.



https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-wl10556-1/overview/" rel="nofollow - Summit Racing SUM-WL10556-1 - Summit RacingĀ® Rear Window Louver Hardware Kits

I'll find out in a few days when they arrive.



 


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Posted By: AMC Okie
Date Posted: Nov/06/2017 at 5:14pm
Those are like the ones I got from summit. They work good.

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69 "GO PACK AMX"
73 Javelin 43,000 mile,origanl SURVIVOR
68 Javelin parts car
39 Ford coupe
48 Chevy coupe
2004 Dodge 1500 Rumble Bee
2005 Pontiac Solstice
Charlie S.


Posted By: rbbruno3
Date Posted: Nov/09/2017 at 3:27pm
Thanks let me know your results white70javelin if they will work. They do look like they will. Thanks again guys. All the answers on this forum.


Posted By: White70JavelinSST
Date Posted: Nov/10/2017 at 8:57am
The bracket kit arrived on Wednesday, I got time Friday morning to test fit it some, as it's the day my office observes Veteran's Day. Thank you for your service goes out to all Veterans.

Down to business.

The kit I happened onto is designed for a 71 to 73 Mustang Fastback part number 10556. Summit showed another kit with a different part number that appeared similar but I can't answer if it is or not.

The brackets appear to be correct. The tangs that go under the trim for the tie down plate assembly may be a bit too long, I didn't go that far into that part as it's only 15 degrees Fahrenheit here today and I won't be attaching anything permanent anyway because the double sided 3M tape doesn't adhere very well in cold temperatures, and of course the tangs can be trimmed.

The angle for the tang that the 1/4 turn fastener inserts into on the tie down plate assembly appears to be a bit off, but there again easily cured, just bend the tang a bit more. The biggest problem I found so far is the hole in the clip is too small for the leading knob on the male part of the 1/4 turn fastener that's on the shade itself. That sucks, although now I know the name of the manufacturer and I plan on contacting them for assistance with that. The instructions mention that a call can be placed to Willpak for additional parts.

I tried calling, I am thinking because it's across the Canada border the calls failed for both numbers. I guess it's email or nothing.

Willpak Industries Inc.
Automotive Accent Products
2030 Speers Road
Oakville Ontario Canada L6L 2X8
toll free 888-945-5725
905-827-0224

http://www.willpak.com/about-us/" rel="nofollow - http://www.willpak.com/about-us/

The hinge bracket appears as though it will work as well. The fasteners supplied with the kit are made of plastic, I was confused about that at first because the Sport Shade I found still had one of the hinge bolts with it and it is steel. Then I thought, what do you want to wear out, the fastener (easily replaced) or the holes in the hinge arms, I dunno......

Spring is a long ways off, I won't know 100% for sure until then if it all works out. I do feel a lot more encouraged about the whole deal rather than how I felt about hoping the guy I bought the shades from would come through for me with the brackets. We've all been there.

Sorry I cannot be more positive about this



https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-wl10556-1/overview/" rel="nofollow - Summit Racing SUM-WL10556-1 - Summit RacingĀ® Rear Window Louver Hardware Kits




 



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Posted By: rbbruno3
Date Posted: Nov/10/2017 at 4:23pm
Thanks so much for taking the time to help me out


Posted By: SONOFAMX
Date Posted: May/11/2018 at 8:09pm
so I have a set off of a Hornet that I'm trying to adapt to my 71 Jav. Did you figure out what brackets to order from SUMMIT rbbruno3?

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Did you mean GMC?


Posted By: billd
Date Posted: May/11/2018 at 8:19pm

Interesting - those look like the same parts used on the SX4 louvers..... bet they are from the same company and that company made them for all sorts of cars.
Likely many of the parts aren't model specific - louvers, yes, brackets - not all of them are specific is my guess.

I have other photos but what I have for parts matches almost exactly those shown above.




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Posted By: SONOFAMX
Date Posted: May/11/2018 at 8:25pm
Thanks Bill,

I did a search on converting Hornet/Concord louvers to a 71 Javelin but only this thread came up with any useful info. I know that guys have done this before but the search isn't finding anything, or maybe it's me


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Did you mean GMC?


Posted By: White70JavelinSST
Date Posted: May/14/2018 at 12:00pm
I've been trying to find the female receptacle clip that fits the 1/4 turn pin fastener that's on the Sport Shades louvers that fit the White70Javelin. The receptacle clip (circled red in below pic) that comes on the tie down plate is too small in diameter for the pin to fit into (lower bracket that inserts under the SS trim and adheres to the glass on the side of the rear window just above the bottom). Remember I purchased the mount kit from Summit (see prior post above).


So I called the toll free number for Willpak Industries, located in Oakwood Ontario Cananda this morning.
Very nice people to talk with. I talked with Doug. He tried his best to help.
The best information he could give me is that they buy the 1/4 turn fasteners and clip receptors for their louvers from a company named Southco.
I searched for Southco by putting "Southco Fasteners" in a google search.
I came up with what appears to be the company. I haven't gotten a chance to thoroughly search their site yet, but it's encouraging. My guess is they don't do small volume business. So I discovered that Aircraft Spruce handles Southco fasteners. I may have to give them a call.

 


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Posted By: 72AMX
Date Posted: May/14/2018 at 1:08pm
I would imagine that you should be able to find what you are looking for at your local big box hardware stores, something like Home Depot carries that would be called J, U , or speed nuts should work.

http://https://www.homedepot.com/b/Hardware-Fasteners-Nuts-Speed-Nuts/N-5yc1vZc2af" rel="nofollow - http://https://www.homedepot.com/b/Hardware-Fasteners-Nuts-Speed-Nuts/N-5yc1vZc2af




Posted By: White70JavelinSST
Date Posted: May/14/2018 at 2:16pm
So far this is the style receptacle I think I'm looking for, but I don't know if it has the correct diameter hole in it.




shop.southco.com/en-us/82-47-113-15" rel="nofollow - shop.southco.com/en-us/82-47-113-15

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70 Javelin SST, second owner, purchased 1972


Posted By: White70JavelinSST
Date Posted: May/14/2018 at 2:19pm
Let's see if we can get 72AMX's link to work.


https://www.homedepot.com/b/Hardware-Fasteners-Nuts-Speed-Nuts/N-5yc1vZc2af" rel="nofollow - https://www.homedepot.com/b/Hardware-Fasteners-Nuts-Speed-Nuts/N-5yc1vZc2af

Yeah, that link works,

but those are not the type of clip receptacle that works very well with the system on the louver. Those are speed nuts which are used for threaded fasteners. The clip receptacle that's needed for the louvers is a 1/4 turn style. Southco makes DZUS fasteners and clip receptacles, that's the style that is needed. They have a bit of spring type action with them that keeps the pin in place.

But thanks for the help.




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Posted By: SONOFAMX
Date Posted: May/14/2018 at 2:47pm
I would think you would need to know the size. Once you do I would try Fastenal as they supply most place.

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Did you mean GMC?


Posted By: White70JavelinSST
Date Posted: May/16/2018 at 12:24pm
OK,

I found this on Southco's website.

http://shop.southco.com/en-us/82-47-113-15" rel="nofollow - http://shop.southco.com/en-us/82-47-113-15

The style of receptacle clip and 1/4 turn pin can be seen by clicking on product specs. A downloadable .pdf comes up with several pages from their catalog.
Look at the very first page, 378 under "head styles tool actuated" to see what the 1/4 turn pin looks like.
The pin on my Soprt Shade louvers looks like these except it measures .288" (7.38mm) across the broadest part.  The tool that the Sport Shade louvers need is flat one with two tangs on it, which is not shown here. I think I can make that. or possibly I might buy a pin kit and replace the pins in the louver.
Look at  pages 383 and 388 see the receptacle looks like.
There's only 22 pages in the download, so it doesn't overload your computer.
So now I hope you understand what's going on here.

I t


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Posted By: White70JavelinSST
Date Posted: May/25/2018 at 12:07pm
Sure wish I could get some spare time to solve this riddle,

Anyone got anything helpful to add?




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Posted By: SONOFAMX
Date Posted: May/25/2018 at 12:11pm
I've been waiting also, I have these Hornet louvers and it looks like I have to cut the last slat off to make them fit but I don't want to drill any holes into the body of my car. My next step is to check into some strong velcro. 

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Did you mean GMC?


Posted By: SONOFAMX
Date Posted: May/25/2018 at 12:14pm
Found this...

https://www.fastenation.com/products/velcro-brand-fasteners/industrial-strength/industrial-strength-on-a-roll.html

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Did you mean GMC?


Posted By: White70JavelinSST
Date Posted: May/25/2018 at 12:16pm
Aren't there hinge points on the top of the louvers?




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Posted By: SONOFAMX
Date Posted: May/25/2018 at 12:22pm
Check this out, its called POWER GRIP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VW6fv7oa4U


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Did you mean GMC?


Posted By: SONOFAMX
Date Posted: May/25/2018 at 12:23pm
Yes but mine have holes that you have to drill into the body.

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Did you mean GMC?


Posted By: SONOFAMX
Date Posted: May/25/2018 at 12:31pm
WOW dude, I think I found us the answer. Watch the videos

https://www.rshughes.com/p/3M-Dual-Lock-TB3550-Black-Reclosable-Fastener-Mushroom-Hook-With-250-Stems-In-Stem-Count-1-In-Width-X-10-Ft-Length-97629/051111_97629/?gclid=Cj0KCQjw6J7YBRC4ARIsAJMXXschS6-R5jxJtyy0YQsTpwWqdTzVA0pY6gvFG1uuwlB_WaN5N7ZEfC4aAqICEALw_wcB&utm_source=rshgs&utm_campaign=gs_051111-97629&s_kwcid=AL!4414!3!202452652693!!!g!328422254309!&ef_id=WTAr3gAABMenaDDP:20180525172646:s


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Posted By: laz
Date Posted: Sep/10/2018 at 1:37pm
How did the mounting with the Summit kit go? Work out OK? Got pics?

I've got some louvers coming that I'm going to attempt to mount. Doing the research now :)


Posted By: White70JavelinSST
Date Posted: Sep/11/2018 at 9:52am
It didn't go, the kit I bought through Summit and is manufactured by Southco has a smaller receptacle than the pins that are on the louvers.

I'm still looking.......

There's gotta be a company that makes the correct size receptacle, I only need two....

I got real busy this summer and put it on the back burner


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Posted By: White70JavelinSST
Date Posted: Sep/25/2018 at 12:24pm
Solution found on, of all places, Ebay....

I purchased a bag of ten Southco made Large Size Dzus 1/4 turn clip-on steel receptacles from a seller on Ebay.  So if anyone needs a couple let me know. They are corrosion protected.

Southco's part number is 85-47-101-15   

Not the number in a previous post. The above number is for the part that fits.

Here's the link to the item.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-10-Southco-85-Series-1-4-Turn-Dzus-Clip-On-Steel-Receptacles-Access-Panel/291330154248?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649" rel="nofollow - https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-10-Southco-85-Series-1-4-Turn-Dzus-Clip-On-Steel-Receptacles-Access-Panel/291330154248?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

The receptacle fits the pin on the Sport Shade Louver. The receptacle looks like this. I had to squeeze it a little to get the pin to go in but it works. Now if we get a warm day this fall on they go!


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70 Javelin SST, second owner, purchased 1972


Posted By: White70JavelinSST
Date Posted: May/24/2019 at 12:06pm
Update on this thread.

Ever since I found the correct receptacle, we've been getting almost all cold weather.

had a couple days of real nice weather but I couldn't get the louvers on cuz I had other things going.

Hope it's going to warm up and stop raining soon.


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Posted By: jkemper1
Date Posted: Jan/22/2023 at 10:06pm
were you ever successful ? 
I have a 73 jav and 68 rebel in Arkansas  louvers would help so much with heat.



Posted By: White70JavelinSST
Date Posted: Jan/23/2023 at 11:28am
Originally posted by jkemper1 jkemper1 wrote:

were you ever successful ? 
I have a 73 jav and 68 rebel in Arkansas  louvers would help so much with heat.



I have test fit the louvers and hinge kit I found, have not installed the louvers yet, still debating whether I should remove and reattach the rear window glass before the louvers. The rear window has been in the since Dec 1969.

The louvers that I found will fit your Javelin, and should help with the heat in Arkansas.
I don't know if louvers were made that fit the Rebel. You could make your own as well.


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