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Topic: TEAM AMX, info and pics?
Posted By: XRX744
Subject: TEAM AMX, info and pics?
Date Posted: Sep/13/2017 at 1:35pm
I'm looking to build a TEAM AMX tribute car and have been trying to do research on the car. There doesn't seem to be a lot of information or pictures of it. So I thought I'd ask here if anybody may have some pictures or information about the car that isn't in any of the following links below. From what I have read, it appears the car went to the Randall family in AZ and may or may not still exist. I'm trying to find out what things they did to the car to make it better on the road course (moving weight around, etc), what the interior & engine bay looked like, and was it built like the Trans Am Javelins (cage, fuel tank/filler). 

From what I have read, it started out as a body in white and their main concern was moving weight from the front to the rear as opposed to just making it lighter.

Some links I have found:
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=11326.0

http://www.ssamx.com/1968_scca_bp_AMX.htm

https://www.hemmings.com/magazine/mus/2006/07/T-E-A-M--One-Year-of-Glory/1301076.html

http://thegarageblog.com/garage/more-vintage-racing-porn-amx/




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69 AMX, pro touring /track car, TEAM tribute, aka: "The Kenosha Corncob"



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Posted By: XRX744
Date Posted: Sep/13/2017 at 1:47pm
Some pictures I have..



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69 AMX, pro touring /track car, TEAM tribute, aka: "The Kenosha Corncob"


Posted By: 73Gremlin401
Date Posted: Sep/13/2017 at 1:47pm
 


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Posted By: XRX744
Date Posted: Sep/13/2017 at 1:48pm


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69 AMX, pro touring /track car, TEAM tribute, aka: "The Kenosha Corncob"


Posted By: XRX744
Date Posted: Sep/13/2017 at 2:48pm


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69 AMX, pro touring /track car, TEAM tribute, aka: "The Kenosha Corncob"


Posted By: XRX744
Date Posted: Sep/13/2017 at 2:51pm


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69 AMX, pro touring /track car, TEAM tribute, aka: "The Kenosha Corncob"


Posted By: XRX744
Date Posted: Sep/13/2017 at 4:52pm




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69 AMX, pro touring /track car, TEAM tribute, aka: "The Kenosha Corncob"


Posted By: XRX744
Date Posted: Sep/13/2017 at 4:54pm




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69 AMX, pro touring /track car, TEAM tribute, aka: "The Kenosha Corncob"


Posted By: 343sharpstick
Date Posted: Sep/14/2017 at 8:11am
So the car is still around somewhere?
Is it this one?


Posted By: XRX744
Date Posted: Sep/14/2017 at 9:23am
Not a lot of history is known (at least from what I've read) on that AMX. But it is not the #6 Team Car.

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69 AMX, pro touring /track car, TEAM tribute, aka: "The Kenosha Corncob"


Posted By: XRX744
Date Posted: Sep/24/2017 at 7:15pm
Here is a new picture I have found of the Team car, and another racing AMX I have not seen pictures of before..

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69 AMX, pro touring /track car, TEAM tribute, aka: "The Kenosha Corncob"


Posted By: XRX744
Date Posted: Sep/24/2017 at 7:18pm
These cars I believe are the same cars, although they have nothing to do with the TEAM car.. Raced by Stephen Shepard

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69 AMX, pro touring /track car, TEAM tribute, aka: "The Kenosha Corncob"


Posted By: amcenthusiast
Date Posted: Sep/25/2017 at 9:11am
Team Highball used to have their own website and I think I remember seeing the half blue half red AMX there... as a member of the team of AMC road racing cars.

-From what I could tell Team Highball simply kept moving up to newer cars and was actively racing a white AMC Spirit ...the last time I took notice of their activity

Sadly no historians seem to connect Gremlin to AMX but apparently focus on road racing AMX two seater migrated to same wheelbase Gremlin... and the inline six Gremlins began to win races (perhaps for the greater durability of the '64-up AM inline six engine?)




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XRV8 Race Parts website: http://amcramblermarlin.1colony.com/


Posted By: amcenthusiast
Date Posted: Sep/25/2017 at 9:18am
And if I remember correctly, Team Highball website honored the half blue and half red AMX as a road race legend and raised it's maintenance level back up? to what should be appropriate for a true historical race car.
-hope it helps you to find more info on the car-

credit to preceding pic: https://www.facebook.com/pg/TeamHighballRacing/photos/

IMO, they never got the two seater AMX fully sorted out on the road race tracks before it was time to promote the next new styled cars at AMC...


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443 XRV8 Gremlin YouTube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=2DmFOKRuzUc
XRV8 Race Parts website: http://amcramblermarlin.1colony.com/


Posted By: XRX744
Date Posted: Sep/25/2017 at 9:23am
Thanks for  the reply and the Gremlin info. 
Here is the link to Stephen Shepards page where I got the pics from, he raced AMC's & Renault's for quite awhile, sounds like he may still have some of his race care... https://ncrscca.com/member_profile/stephen-shepherd/


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69 AMX, pro touring /track car, TEAM tribute, aka: "The Kenosha Corncob"


Posted By: amcenthusiast
Date Posted: Sep/25/2017 at 9:39am
Yep, breezing through the link you posted, I think he sold this particular AMX and someone on Team Highball owned it for a while... not exactly sure/might be wrong or confused/always enjoy talking about the famous AMC race cars though...


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443 XRV8 Gremlin YouTube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=2DmFOKRuzUc
XRV8 Race Parts website: http://amcramblermarlin.1colony.com/


Posted By: amx600rr
Date Posted: Sep/25/2017 at 8:07pm
I may be wrong, but aren't you talking about the half red/half blue "BP" AMX that was at Gettysburg AMO show?  That car is owned by Mike? Weaver from Joppa or Joppatowne Maryland.


Posted By: XRX744
Date Posted: Sep/26/2017 at 8:36am
Anybody have a picture of the engine or the interior of the #6 TEAM Car? Trying to figure out if the eng compartment and interior were grey or white? This shot the interior appears to be grey..



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69 AMX, pro touring /track car, TEAM tribute, aka: "The Kenosha Corncob"


Posted By: XRX744
Date Posted: Sep/26/2017 at 8:37am
This ones farther away but shows contrast with the white stripes well.




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69 AMX, pro touring /track car, TEAM tribute, aka: "The Kenosha Corncob"


Posted By: beepbeep
Date Posted: Sep/26/2017 at 11:22pm
The BP 60 employee raced AMX was stripped and scrapped. It's history.


Posted By: XRX744
Date Posted: Sep/27/2017 at 9:03am
Originally posted by beepbeep beepbeep wrote:

The BP 60 employee raced AMX was stripped and scrapped. It's history.

Then please tell me the story you know.  If its gone, its gone, but I'm still trying to find out details on the car and how it was built.


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69 AMX, pro touring /track car, TEAM tribute, aka: "The Kenosha Corncob"


Posted By: 343sharpstick
Date Posted: Sep/27/2017 at 12:52pm
Anyone know if there are any of the employees involved in this car still around?

Accurate Recreations of unobtainable or rare cars are gaining popularity, and would be a worthwhile build now more than ever.

An accurate recreation of this car would be a valuable/worthwhile undertaking, even more-so if individuals from the original team were involved.
Great, now I want to do this too! LOL

If anyone isn't comfortable giving names or info on the forum, please PM me. I'd love to capture detail information on this car to share. I live in Wisconsin, and would be happy to visit anyone with old pictures to scan and save, or document any data from anyone directly involved with the car that may still be in Kenosha area.


Posted By: XRX744
Date Posted: Sep/27/2017 at 5:25pm
Thanks for the help Mike, I really appreciate it. From what I've read, the car started as a body in white and was built with help from the Kaplan Trans AM Javelin team. Whether that help was just in the form of technical help, parts, or both isn't really known. It makes sense due to the 68 season being fairly successful and they had figured out a lot of what worked and what didn't on the Javelins going into 69. So, my assumption is that it would have been built similar to the trans am javelins, so thats what I'm doing with mine along with adding some more modern upgrades.

Maybe I'll start a build thread in the projects section. Found this picture of a Kaplan Javelin with the front end taken off...






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69 AMX, pro touring /track car, TEAM tribute, aka: "The Kenosha Corncob"


Posted By: beepbeep
Date Posted: Sep/27/2017 at 11:13pm

The where or the why the BP60 AMX is gone just invokes heart ach. I'll just say there was a time when old race cars like this were worth zero. Happen upon one and the owner certainly would not sell it but then, the very next day he'd cut it up! I'm guessing we've all had it happen, hard to figure those stories out.
You want to make a tribute BP60 AMX, there was an article in Hemmings a few years back, after saying a few, I would add a few years onto that number. Find that article, it had all the guys names and some nice pictures. Also find an scca rule book for 1968. The car ran in B Production, a very stock class.   343, 4 speed, the optional steering box, heavy stabilizer, with a simple cage. Nothing very fancy in BP.   Oh, a fancy paint job.       Best to Ya.   


Posted By: amcenthusiast
Date Posted: Sep/29/2017 at 12:47am
Ahh feasting my eyes on the front end... yum... thanks for posting the pic.


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443 XRV8 Gremlin YouTube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=2DmFOKRuzUc
XRV8 Race Parts website: http://amcramblermarlin.1colony.com/


Posted By: XRX744
Date Posted: Sep/29/2017 at 8:51am
Heres the front end of the Folmer Javelin, troughs look trimmed the same way. I notice the splines sway bar set up too.




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69 AMX, pro touring /track car, TEAM tribute, aka: "The Kenosha Corncob"


Posted By: XRX744
Date Posted: Oct/05/2017 at 2:20pm
Looking at this shot, it looks like they used the stock gauge panel, as well as most of the interior panels. Interior is painted in the machinery gray that so many race cars used.



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69 AMX, pro touring /track car, TEAM tribute, aka: "The Kenosha Corncob"


Posted By: XRX744
Date Posted: Oct/05/2017 at 2:22pm
This shot from Daytona shows the wheel openings are pretty much stock 

 



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69 AMX, pro touring /track car, TEAM tribute, aka: "The Kenosha Corncob"


Posted By: farna
Date Posted: Oct/07/2017 at 9:42am
Biggest reason a lot of old race car owners refused to sell was liability. Lots of modifications done to them, and they didn't want to be held responsible if someone got hurt either racing it or trying to put it back on the street. I wouldn't doubt it too much if some refused to sell because of illegal or questionable mods while they were racing... wouldn't want to be accused of winning all those races back in the day because they cheated... even if they did!

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Posted By: XRX744
Date Posted: Oct/21/2017 at 12:23am
Looking through the various pictures it appears that the car started out as #60, then to #6, #8(although I think the used tape to tune the 6 to an 8) , and back to #6.

The "Stauffer Tires" decals were likely put on when the car was sold after the 69 season, as they appear and the "TEAM" decals were removed. Those Stauffer  stickers were still in place when raced by Randall. Also the "BP" stickers were moved from the front to the back of the white meatball.

It also appears they used the 68 dash gauge pod and the interior plastic trim. But whether or not they used stock gauges is unknown.

Interesting sidenote. I bought some parts from a guy recently who road races a Javelin. He said he talked to one of the engineers on the AMX race team and he said "they had a 200 lb bumper on the back to help with balance".



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69 AMX, pro touring /track car, TEAM tribute, aka: "The Kenosha Corncob"


Posted By: klvn8r
Date Posted: Oct/25/2017 at 5:10pm
Jim Alexander spoke with me many years ago at AMO Kenosha.  I have a 68 AMX vintage car, built similar to the TEAM car, but no real 'history' other than vintage races.  He declared back then that he and Phil Tony traced the car back to Randall, and it had been crushed, possibly by accident.  After the 69 season, it was run by an independent guy out of Oklahoma, I think, and was #6.  Future ex-wife sent it to the next owner.

klvn8r


Posted By: XRX744
Date Posted: Oct/26/2017 at 9:40am
Thanks Klvn8r. Thats the story I have heard. I'm sure it was avery used up race car by the time they got done with it. It went to #6 when Ike Knupp ran it towards the end  of the season, then to the independent guy. Looks like the Randalls kept it that way too, the 2nd picture in the thread is probably soon after the Randalls started racing it. I'd still like to find some more pictures of it. The rule book is on the Camaro site and spells out could and couldn't be done on it.But being a body in white would have gave them some creative possibilities for sure. My main questions was the interior, trunk, and eng compartment all the same gray? And did they use the stock gauges or aftermarket inside the bezel. I notice the hood pins are in the same spot as the T/A Javelins, same with the bumper screen and cut opening.

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69 AMX, pro touring /track car, TEAM tribute, aka: "The Kenosha Corncob"


Posted By: klvn8r
Date Posted: Oct/30/2017 at 8:40pm
I believe the second owner was Brad Booker (or Brooker, as I've seen it typed both ways) and I think that is when 60, became 6.  Booker was out of Oklahoma, and I was given a print of the car sitting in the pits at Green Valley Raceway, Ft Worth, Tx.  If you're on the Camaro group forum, you've probably seen some of my posts there too.

klvn8r



Posted By: XRX744
Date Posted: Nov/01/2017 at 9:36am
Lots of good info over on the Camaro forum for sure, I enjoyed reading your posts Klvn8r. After reviewing most of the photos I have, I'm pretty sure the car was #6 by the end of the season. Maybe it coincides with the "union 76" sponsor. That decal appears on the rear 1/4, replacing the 343 CI. All of the TEAM stickers are still in place then as well. I also believe that the 2nd owner is when the "Stauffer Tires" decal showed up, replacing the Union 76. Also the "BP" went behind the meatball, instead of in front.
The first picture below shows it as #6, BP in front, union 76 decal and TEAM decals in place. The second picture is from Ike Knupps driver profile, same decal layout. Picture is supposedly from Daytona 1969 Nov,30th. Both pictures could be from the same race.






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69 AMX, pro touring /track car, TEAM tribute, aka: "The Kenosha Corncob"


Posted By: XRX744
Date Posted: Nov/01/2017 at 9:41am
I believe this is may be your pic Klvn8r. Shows the car in the pits. Note the lack of Union 76, addition of Stauffer and BP moved.Although it looks like the front fender is red and has no white stripe.
 
The second pic is when Randall started racing it.





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69 AMX, pro touring /track car, TEAM tribute, aka: "The Kenosha Corncob"


Posted By: Slate
Date Posted: Nov/05/2017 at 10:57pm
You can see the bent bumper too. If you want pics of the interior contact Mike Randall in Chandler AZ.

Steve


Posted By: XRX744
Date Posted: Nov/08/2017 at 10:17pm
Thank you for the idea Slate, don't know what I didn't think of that sooner. Thanks to the miracle of Facebook, you can get in touch with people easily.



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Posted By: XRX744
Date Posted: Nov/13/2017 at 8:49pm
Got this from the Randall Facebook page.




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69 AMX, pro touring /track car, TEAM tribute, aka: "The Kenosha Corncob"


Posted By: bigd82647
Date Posted: May/14/2022 at 12:30am
I worked on the TEAM AMX as an engineering, summer intern at AMC in 1969. I have a good picture of it in front of the AMC HQ on Plymouth Rd but I can't figure out how to copy it and post.


Posted By: bigd82647
Date Posted: May/14/2022 at 8:42pm
Still looking for info on the #60? I worked on it at AMC summer of '69.


Posted By: 6t8amxetc
Date Posted: May/14/2022 at 10:50pm
Originally posted by bigd82647 bigd82647 wrote:

Still looking for info on the #60? I worked on it at AMC summer of '69.


I am sure there are going to be quite a few people VERY happy to hear from you. It's just that this area of the forum doesn't get as much traffic as most. I'm definitely sitting here on the sidelines excited to learn more about this AMC racing heritage! Thanks for coming aboard!!!


Posted By: XRX744
Date Posted: May/15/2022 at 10:50pm
I just PM'd you bigd82647, I would love to hear anything you can tell us about the car. Weight, suspension tweaks, interior and engine bay color, etc. Did you guys move weight around on the car to get it balanced? Any idea on what the sticker is on the front passenger side of the hood? This shot is from Daytona as well, its on the back of the AMX book.
Any info helps.



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69 AMX, pro touring /track car, TEAM tribute, aka: "The Kenosha Corncob"


Posted By: SC397
Date Posted: Jun/03/2022 at 10:28am
Andy is the short one in the center without the RWB jacket. He was just a co-op then and no one told him that they were going to take pictures that day.  I will try to get his phone number for you. He might remember some stuff that would help you.  Phil Tony (far right) has passed but he told me that the rear bumper was full of lead.  Tom Best is one of the guys crouching down. I have information on his son somewhere. I will see if i can find it. 
https://flic.kr/p/2jFL29g" rel="nofollow"> https://flic.kr/p/2jFL29g" rel="nofollow - IMG_3955 by https://www.flickr.com/photos/149168736@N07/" rel="nofollow - Rick Jones , on Flickr


Posted By: klvn8r
Date Posted: Jun/08/2022 at 8:34pm
Thanks for posting that, Rick.  I'm one to contend that the dog leg head was prototyped (and probably USED!) in 1969, possibly/probably by Kaplan's TA effort, and almost assuredly in the baby Grand series.  My evidence of that would be those weird/cobbled "header" on the Paschal car.   I've got the pics somewhere....  Anyhow, we know that Jim Alexander, and Phil Tony have passed on.....I spoke to Ike Knupp many years ago, miraculously survived a motorcycle crash in his elder years!  I would doubt he is still around in 2022.

Anyhow, thanks for the input!!!!  The TEAM #60 car is my favorite 2 seater as well.

klvn8r


Posted By: Steve_P
Date Posted: Jun/09/2022 at 4:25pm
AMC was working on the "dog leg" port in early to mid 1968- it's mentioned in some of the early SAE papers.  


Posted By: Clu
Date Posted: Jun/09/2022 at 6:03pm
I think you can’t post pictures until you hit 30 points (meaning that you’ve responded or posted on the various boards here 30 times)

This was meant for bigd82647 trying to figure out how to post pictures earlier. 



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Date Posted: Jun/27/2022 at 6:13pm


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Date Posted: Jun/27/2022 at 6:17pm


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Date Posted: Jun/27/2022 at 6:20pm


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Date Posted: Jun/27/2022 at 6:21pm


Posted By: XRX744
Date Posted: Jul/05/2022 at 9:13am
Thanks for the pics Javelin_GT, especially that interior shot!

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69 AMX, pro touring /track car, TEAM tribute, aka: "The Kenosha Corncob"


Posted By: Slate
Date Posted: Jul/05/2022 at 7:22pm
Cool photos.

Steve


Posted By: klvn8r
Date Posted: Jul/08/2022 at 5:03pm
Great stuff!!!!  That little "door ding" would probably be the reasoning behind the color scheme change.  Just a guess....

klvn8r



Posted By: XRX744
Date Posted: Aug/04/2022 at 9:11pm
I found an article in Muscle Car Enthusiast magazine from Feb 2006 written by Richard Truesdell with pictures from the Randall family and Mark Fletcher. There is a curious picture of the BP AMX, taken accordingly in the "early 70's". It shows the car with the tri tone paint except that the AMX circle is not painted red white and blue. The white paint runs through the AMX circle originally, but in this version it does not. So that means there was a second RWB paint scheme like the original, before the later RWB paint scheme. I also think this 2nd version was the paint scheme on the car in the picture Javelin_GT posted as it has the "stauffer tires" over the front wheel not much else. It also has the longer rear shackles and the rear sway bar BTW, although its hard to tell if the rear wheel openings have been changed. Also, the one pictured drag racing is not the BP AMX. A




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69 AMX, pro touring /track car, TEAM tribute, aka: "The Kenosha Corncob"


Posted By: AMC-Rambler_parts
Date Posted: Oct/14/2022 at 6:28am
Originally posted by amcenthusiast amcenthusiast wrote:

And if I remember correctly, Team Highball website honored the half blue and half red AMX as a road race legend and raised it's maintenance level back up? to what should be appropriate for a true historical race car.
-hope it helps you to find more info on the car-

credit to preceding pic: https://www.facebook.com/pg/TeamHighballRacing/photos/

IMO, they never got the two seater AMX fully sorted out on the road race tracks before it was time to promote the next new styled cars at AMC...

Great info


Posted By: bigd82647
Date Posted: Mar/19/2023 at 9:59pm
I think the sticker on the hood is tech approval by SCCA for the runoffs. It was not there during the season. I was back in Missouri at college in November '69. AMC did fly me to Florida for the runoffs but TEAM and car were already through tech and had practiced once when I arrived. Changed axle ratio and then hit the beach.

I did reply to your PM.




Posted By: Javelin LSX Guy
Date Posted: Mar/20/2023 at 6:20pm
Very nice photos there people!


Posted By: bigd82647
Date Posted: Mar/20/2023 at 9:08pm
The #60 AMX had the dog leg ports in the heads. Fabing the headers took alot of skill. 

The carburetor was also a special, massaged part mostly done by Cliff Roaning(sp?) and George Code. Lots of metal removed and devcon added. At one point someone decided to soak the carb in cleaner and the inside melted.


Posted By: XRX744
Date Posted: Mar/24/2023 at 12:36pm
bigd82647  Do you know why the car is wearing magnums (15"?) in this picture? Looks like a rain tire set up maybe? The rear sway bar can also be seen in front of the rear axle.




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69 AMX, pro touring /track car, TEAM tribute, aka: "The Kenosha Corncob"



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