T5-Rambler 196 bell-MDL adapter ??????????
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Topic: T5-Rambler 196 bell-MDL adapter ??????????
Posted By: nickleone
Subject: T5-Rambler 196 bell-MDL adapter ??????????
Date Posted: Sep/12/2017 at 12:40pm
Tomj, I see you used a different bell in your final construction with the T5. Did the bolt holes in the PICTURED bell and the MDL adapter Match? In the bell used in the final construction did the two bolt holes in the adapter match the bell? Using the MDL 401-2400 adapter on my bell the two holes don't match. I looked at all your info and saw where you made a mount to connect the very bottom bolt holes in the adapter. Nick ------------- nick 401 71 Gremlin pro rally car sold 390 V8 SX/4 pro rally car sold 1962 Classic SW T5 4 wheel disc brakes |
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Posted By: tomj
Date Posted: Sep/15/2017 at 3:38pm
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no, i used the two LOWER holes, after i made a steel saddle to accommodate them, which also solve the unobtainable trans mount problem. i don't know what bell those are supposed to bolt to. it's another one of those old-world nash/rambler/amc @#)*$@#$@!@!!! problems -- there seems to be no source of information, authoritative or otherwise, just what the heck is actually bolted into a car. there is too a question about bell depth. my 63 had a FLAT CRANK and a MANUAL TRANSMISSION but i don't still understand how it all worked when i needed, here, a volcano adapter to make it stick out the extra 1.25" to meet the short shaft. by "old world" i mean, nash seems to have acted like a pre-war company, cars sort of hand-fitted, probably fitment knowledge was in line workers, as it certainly isn't in their documentation, which itself is rare as hen's teeth (i assume some old rich codgers have all that stuff packed away in a garage awaiting their death when their wife will ship it to goodwill where it will become landfill. from very extensive experience that's what happens with pack-ratted tech data; cars, electronics, sound, computers, any esoteric subject). here's a specific picture: http://www.sensitiveresearch.com/1961-Rambler-Roadster/transmission/images/I%20bellhousing%20centering2.jpg" rel="nofollow - http://www.sensitiveresearch.com/1961-Rambler-Roadster/transmission/images/I%20bellhousing%20centering2.jpg from this page http://www.sensitiveresearch.com/1961-Rambler-Roadster/transmission/index.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.sensitiveresearch.com/1961-Rambler-Roadster/transmission/index.html ------------- 1960 Rambler Super two-door wagon, OHV auto 1961 Roadster American, 195.6 OHV, T5 http://www.ramblerLore.com |
Posted By: tomj
Date Posted: Sep/15/2017 at 3:49pm
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my notes say that the transmission bolt hole pattern on the back of (my particular) bell housing is rectangular, 6.25" center to center horizontally, and 5.375" center to center vertically. the note says "63 01 T-96 bell, 20 oct 2009". it's trustworthy, within measurement error. i did a "rubbing", placed paper on the back of the dirty bell housing, and rubbed it to record the ribs and hole relations etc. then i measured and wrote on the sheet. apparently i verified also that the pattern is square, it says "90 degrees" near the lower left hole. rubbing is nice, 8 years later! it shows me what it was i was measuring. oh heck here's a pic:  ------------- 1960 Rambler Super two-door wagon, OHV auto 1961 Roadster American, 195.6 OHV, T5 http://www.ramblerLore.com |
Posted By: tomj
Date Posted: Sep/15/2017 at 3:57pm
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OH WAIT NOW I REMEMBER -- the above is factually correct -- but it's not the bell in my car now. THAT bell, the one i made the drawing from -- is the one that i sent to Bruce at MDL to make up the adapter. then the bell got lost, and i never got it back. so the bell in the car now, i have no idea what it is. if you look closely at the pic you originally referenced, you can see red paint pen markings "~ 4.1" and arrows -- that's the small, early Nash T96 pattern. 4.1 or whatever inches by 6.25" wide. the 5.375 tall pattern is apparently "new". so now we know there are AT LEAST THREE variations on the transmission pattern on the little nash six bell. it was probably easier and cheaper to retool that bell to accommodate whatever batch of cheap transmissions they bought on deep discount. it's not like anyone else wanted a T96 then. sometimes i hate nash and amc. ------------- 1960 Rambler Super two-door wagon, OHV auto 1961 Roadster American, 195.6 OHV, T5 http://www.ramblerLore.com |