1972 Javelin Power to Manual Steering
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Topic: 1972 Javelin Power to Manual Steering
Posted By: pi71
Subject: 1972 Javelin Power to Manual Steering
Date Posted: Aug/19/2017 at 11:43pm
| Hey guys, wanting to convert to manual steering from power. what are my options? ive seen that a 80's s10 box will possibly work, i kinda need a walkthru, do i need to change pitman arm?, Rag Joint?, Steering Column? thanks in advance. |
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Posted By: WesternRed
Date Posted: Aug/20/2017 at 6:47am
I'm using a manual box from a Camaro in my Gremlin, just need the AMC manual pitman arm. The input shaft sticks out a long way from the manual box so that they are dimensionally the same when it comes to steering columns: |
Posted By: 304-dude
Date Posted: Aug/20/2017 at 6:59am
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Not sure exactly, but 401MatadorCoupe stated that power steering rag joint coupler is different? Something to do about clocking the steering shaft. Somebody had a problem clocking their steering wheel with a power steering box. The rag joint may need to be exchanged out depending on fitment and possibly model year with the AMC car. ------------- 71 Javelin SST body 390 69 crank, 70 block & heads NASCAR SB2 rods & pistons 78 Jeep TH400 w/ 2.76 Low 50/50 Ford-AMC Suspension 79 F150 rear & 8.8 axles Ford Racing 3.25 gears & 9" /w Detroit locker |
Posted By: pi71
Date Posted: Aug/20/2017 at 9:57am
| thanks guys, im getting the same info from searches, im hoping someone has done it before. are all amc boxes interchangeable? specifically on Javs? 68-73 the same? |
Posted By: vinny
Date Posted: Aug/20/2017 at 10:00am
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When putting P.S. in a truck I remember something about using half of the rag joint from the box and the other half from the shaft end so that kind of stuff is possible. |
Posted By: purple72Gremlin
Date Posted: Aug/20/2017 at 10:22am
| I think the ragjoint is different, and the Pittman arm is different. You need the aluminium spacer and the correct bolts as well... I did this swap..but in my case it was a 1972 Gremlin box into a 80 AMX.. It bolted right in. |
Posted By: vinny
Date Posted: Aug/20/2017 at 12:37pm
| Steering wheels go on in any position, do they not? That should take care of any 'clocking' problems. |
Posted By: Gelalthedamned
Date Posted: Aug/22/2017 at 2:27pm
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20 years ago my little gremlin had power steering. Then I read an article about loosing horsepower to extra pulleys, a.c. too. So I removed that junk. My steering box I looped a piece of the hose I cut from the pump into the other fitting on the box. And wah la.. manual steering. Do what you want, but for zero dollars ^ that's what I did ------------- Calamity - 73 Gremlin X zombie rod (daily driver) |
Posted By: 401MATCOUPE
Date Posted: Aug/22/2017 at 3:46pm
The steering wheel will go on any position, very true. HOWEVER, on manual steering box the shaft is rag joint shaft is smaller, so you need a different rag joint (smaller diameter on Manual steering). Secondly, on a 70 up Saginaw Steering Column there is a lock plate under the steering wheel, the lock plate has a master spline, which then "clocks" the Horn slip ring and contact pin to the steering wheel, which has a hole in about 10 o'clock position. The main steering shaft at the steering wheel side has a strike mark in it, that is supposed to be at 12 o'clock, when wheel is installed. Once it is centered up top, turn the key to the off position and the column is now locked centered. Next the steering box must be Centered in its movement from full left to full right.......put it in the center and the rag joint which on Manual Steering cars has no master spline, should be installed at that locked column location, with box centered. If this is not followed you can end up with a "uncenterable" steering wheel, with car in correct alignment (toe) and can not be corrected by the tie rod end adjustment sleeves. I hope this makes sense. On Power Steering cars, it has a master spline, dictated by the rag joint spline squeeze bolt, that keeps the box in relative close alignment. One extra note, none of this pertains to a 69 and prior car, since they do not have the steering column locking plate to cause alignment issues.
------------- Ross K. Peterson 68X,GoPac,343,AT,52A(1stCar) 68X,GoPac,390,4sp,52A 69X,GoPac,390,4sp,64A 70X,GoPac,390,4sp,87A,8 70X,GoPac,390,4sp,BBO,8 70 Jav SST,390,AT,BSO 74MatX,401,AT,Prototype 74MatX,401,AT |
vinny wrote:Posted By: vinny
Date Posted: Aug/23/2017 at 1:29pm
| Thanks for the clarification. It matters to others but I didn't know because my collector vehicles will more than likely always be older than 1970. I guess it is what one grows up with as a kid. |
Posted By: pi71
Date Posted: Nov/08/2017 at 9:46am
| update on this. i obtained a manual box from a 70 javelin, with pitman arm and rag joint. Ill be attempting to swap out my ps on my 72 jav. hope it works. ill keep you posted for future searches. |
Posted By: pi71
Date Posted: Nov/14/2017 at 10:08am
| I installed the manual box from the 70 Javelin onto my 72. I didnt need any adapter brackets from the ps unit. I did need a spacer for one of the bolts. I did use the manual ragjoint. The manual box was not threaded so i had to use nuts but all in all pretty easy swap. |
Posted By: billd
Date Posted: Nov/14/2017 at 10:42am
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Wish I would have seen this earlier, I have a GOOD manual box from a 69 Javelin, pitman and all sitting in my shop. I doubt I'll ever use it. My brother converted his 69 to power and I got the parts he removed. But I see you have already found everything you needed...... -------------  http://theamcpages.com" rel="nofollow - http://theamcpages.com http://antique-engines.com" rel="nofollow - http://antique-engines.com |
Posted By: jpnjim
Date Posted: Nov/15/2017 at 6:52am
I can still hear the complaints in my head when someone had to move my manual steering, manual transmission Javelin for me one night  "How do you drive that piece of crap?" ^something I would hear a lot more of later when all my daily drivers were hacked up/lifted Jeeps  I would love to have a manual steering daily driver again, but I'm not as strong as I was 30 years ago
 ------------- 71 P-code 4spd Javelin/AMX some Jeeps and some Fords |
Posted By: matty 401
Date Posted: Nov/15/2017 at 9:13am
will that box work in a 68 Rogue ? ------------- 72 matador 401 the beast 79 concord 2 door 72 matador 304 grasshopper 68 Rogue 406 93 Cherokee 4.0 5 speed |