Front Spring Seat Saddle rebushing
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Topic: Front Spring Seat Saddle rebushing
Posted By: green70AMX
Subject: Front Spring Seat Saddle rebushing
Date Posted: May/02/2017 at 7:37pm
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Does anyone know of someone who replaces the bushing in the front spring seat saddles? ------------- green70AMX |
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Posted By: 71SC360
Date Posted: May/02/2017 at 8:20pm
| It's not that hard to do yourself... |
Posted By: 304-dude
Date Posted: May/02/2017 at 8:25pm
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Yep can be done easy by grilling them on the top rack with the lid closed on low to raise enough heat to make them start to smoke. Use a wide jaw plier with a towel wrapped around the tube and wack the pin through with a wood block. Took all but 15 minutes once the they were in the grill, removed and pins driven out. Notice I said wood block... Once the rubber smokes, it will be soft enough to press out by hand. ------------- 71 Javelin SST body 390 69 crank, 70 block & heads NASCAR SB2 rods & pistons 78 Jeep TH400 w/ 2.76 Low 50/50 Ford-AMC Suspension 79 F150 rear & 8.8 axles Ford Racing 3.25 gears & 9" /w Detroit locker |
Posted By: 6PakBee
Date Posted: May/02/2017 at 10:30pm
------------- Roger Gazur 1969 'B' Scheme SC/Rambler 1970 RWB 4-spd Machine 1970 Sonic Silver auto AMX All project cars. Forum Cockroach |
Posted By: tomj
Date Posted: May/03/2017 at 12:10am
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john elle to the rescue: http://worldpowersystems.com/AMC/bushings.html" rel="nofollow - http://worldpowersystems.com/AMC/bushings.html i ran this fix for years. worked great. at that time no one knew where to find the replacement part, for some reason now lost.
------------- 1960 Rambler Super two-door wagon, OHV auto 1961 Roadster American, 195.6 OHV, T5 http://www.ramblerLore.com |
Posted By: green70AMX
Date Posted: May/03/2017 at 6:36am
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Thanks for the info going to do it myself.
------------- green70AMX |
Posted By: 304-dude
Date Posted: May/03/2017 at 7:06am
Those replacement bushings are almost impossible to find. You may look into using a 1988 Mazda 323 GTX lateral link and press out the bushings to fit inside your tube of the perch. Problem is you will spend about $50 in the two links. You may get lucky and find a car at pick and pull, some have the energy suspension bushings to grab. ------------- 71 Javelin SST body 390 69 crank, 70 block & heads NASCAR SB2 rods & pistons 78 Jeep TH400 w/ 2.76 Low 50/50 Ford-AMC Suspension 79 F150 rear & 8.8 axles Ford Racing 3.25 gears & 9" /w Detroit locker |
green70AMX wrote:Posted By: MD Racer
Date Posted: May/04/2017 at 9:58pm
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American Parts Depot sells the saddle bushings for $69 each.
------------- 1971 Javelin 1971 Javelin SST 1971 Javelin AMX |
Posted By: javjav
Date Posted: May/04/2017 at 11:08pm
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The replacement bushing are readily available. FYI, when replacing the bushing, be sure to look to see if the sleeve t is tack welded in a couple of spots. I have seen this once or twice. If you are pressing out the bushing, be sure to put a piece of wood cut to fit the width of the spring perch. That way it does not get bent under the pressure. Old pieces of hardwood flooring is what I use to make a custom fit. Otherwise, burn out the rubber with propane torch and then remove the pin. Then cut out the remaining sleeve to replace with the new one. |
Posted By: ramblinrev
Date Posted: May/04/2017 at 11:12pm
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Amazon normally has the bushings available. Today they're $31. http://https://www.amazon.com/Rare-Parts-RP15151-Spring-Bushing/dp/B004A31MVO/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1493957461&sr=8-1-fkmr1&keywords=spring+seat+bushing+delco" rel="nofollow - https://www.amazon.com/Rare-Parts-RP15151-Spring-Bushing/dp/B004A31MVO/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1493957461&sr=8-1-fkmr1&keywords=spring+seat+bushing+delco Not sure why the link doesn't seem to work, but search Amazon for Rare Parts RP15151 Summit also lists the Delco version for the same price: ACDELCO 45G8029 ------------- 74 Hornet Hatchback X twins (since 1977) 62 American Convertible (still worth the $50 I spent in 1973!) AMCRC #513, AMO #384 70 AMX 360 4-speed (since 1981) |
Posted By: green70AMX
Date Posted: May/05/2017 at 8:00am
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Thanks for all the great info I ordered a set today
------------- green70AMX |
Posted By: DoughertyAMX
Date Posted: Mar/24/2020 at 6:08pm
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I have looked over and over and over for the FB619, ACDelco 45G8029, the Dorman version, ENE2048G and 5601029 Raybestos. NONE available anywhere. I know you can get a set from Rare Parts RP15151 but hate to pay $225 for a set. Wish I could find 4 bushings and I'd just rebuild these myself. |
Posted By: mbwicz
Date Posted: Mar/24/2020 at 6:28pm
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For that kind of money you could look at this, but it looks like there is a significant wait time as yours are rebuilt. https://opentrackerracing.com/product/roller-spring-perches-1970-1988-amc-amx-javelin-hornet-gremlin-ambassador-matador-eagle/" rel="nofollow - https://opentrackerracing.com/product/roller-spring-perches-1970-1988-amc-amx-javelin-hornet-gremlin-ambassador-matador-eagle/ ------------- 1970 AMX, one step forward, one step back. Both steps cost time and money. |
Posted By: Heavy 488
Date Posted: Mar/24/2020 at 6:47pm
| There was supposed to be a urethane bushing that fits. |
Posted By: CARnivore
Date Posted: Mar/24/2020 at 6:50pm
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Those bushings are no longer available separately. You have to buy this kit that includes them. This is all I use when rebuilding these. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CGZ0R0/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1" rel="nofollow - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CGZ0R0/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Posted By: Heavy 488
Date Posted: Mar/24/2020 at 7:01pm
| The number I had for the urethane saddle bushings is a #4.2132 (R or G) depending on color. It's originally a Ford truck shackle bushing. |
Posted By: mbwicz
Date Posted: Mar/24/2020 at 7:04pm
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CARnivore (love the name), do you just burn out the rubber and leave the metal sleeves in place to support the urethane? Any squeak issues? Thanks for the advice! ------------- 1970 AMX, one step forward, one step back. Both steps cost time and money. |
Posted By: CARnivore
Date Posted: Mar/24/2020 at 7:20pm
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I have usually pressed out what I can of the rubber and then burn whats left and finish with a small wire wheel. For lubricant I like to use a heavy moly graphite type anti-sieze, it seems to cling and maybe penetrate the poly I guess cause i have had no squeaking issues. You can add a grease fitting to the middle of the housing for insurance once you get the rubber out |
Posted By: tomj
Date Posted: Mar/24/2020 at 9:37pm
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DO you know what the dimensions of the poly bushings in the "John Elle" fix were? For the pre-1964 American suspension bushings I used a ridetech bushing, 90001596, which I thoguht so generic they'd still be available, but they're gone from their product page, no results from a search. I find it hard to belive a simple flanged bushing is not findable. The 90001596 part was .75" OD, .625 ID, maybe an inch long. Sheesh, now I have to find a replacement for my replacement for the early AMerican suspension. https://www.sr-ix.com/AMC/Roadster/front-suspension/index.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.sr-ix.com/AMC/Roadster/front-suspension/index.html URL change for the John Elle fix. new permanent home for all my AMC pages... https://www.sr-ix.com/AMC/Spring-seat-bushings/index.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.sr-ix.com/AMC/Spring-seat-bushings/index.html ------------- 1960 Rambler Super two-door wagon, OHV auto 1961 Roadster American, 195.6 OHV, T5 http://www.ramblerLore.com |
Posted By: tomj
Date Posted: Mar/24/2020 at 9:39pm
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Flanged poly bushings are findable. https://www.suspension.com/universal-bushings.asp" rel="nofollow - https://www.suspension.com/universal-bushings.asp ------------- 1960 Rambler Super two-door wagon, OHV auto 1961 Roadster American, 195.6 OHV, T5 http://www.ramblerLore.com |
Posted By: 6PakBee
Date Posted: Mar/24/2020 at 9:48pm
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That sucks. Somewhere in the dark recesses of my mind I seem to recall that the bushing only is still available (another application) and you can re-use the center support. But then again, maybe I've had too much coffee today.
------------- Roger Gazur 1969 'B' Scheme SC/Rambler 1970 RWB 4-spd Machine 1970 Sonic Silver auto AMX All project cars. Forum Cockroach |
Posted By: tomj
Date Posted: Mar/24/2020 at 9:54pm
I'm not sure that's really possible, unless it's bad coffee. The bushing shouldn't be hard to locate, ID of the outer sleeve, OD of the rod, they're usually cheap enough for experimental buy. Chop and cut! ------------- 1960 Rambler Super two-door wagon, OHV auto 1961 Roadster American, 195.6 OHV, T5 http://www.ramblerLore.com |
Posted By: Heavy 488
Date Posted: Mar/25/2020 at 4:45am
| The part number I posted was supposed to be the replacement for the old John Elle piece. |
Posted By: 304-dude
Date Posted: Mar/25/2020 at 6:13am
Not sure... but originally it was a Mazda 323 rear link bushing replacement part number. That number was discontinued almost 10 years now, so it may be recycled into newer parts numbers. Not sure, but I purchased the 323 bushings over 15 years ago, as seperates, no grease, no instructions. ------------- 71 Javelin SST body 390 69 crank, 70 block & heads NASCAR SB2 rods & pistons 78 Jeep TH400 w/ 2.76 Low 50/50 Ford-AMC Suspension 79 F150 rear & 8.8 axles Ford Racing 3.25 gears & 9" /w Detroit locker |
Posted By: tomj
Date Posted: Mar/25/2020 at 1:45pm
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Huh, I thought I posted this last night.... https://www.suspension.com/universal-bushings.asp" rel="nofollow - https://www.suspension.com/universal-bushings.asp That's just one site that popped up on one google search for 'flanged poly bushing'. Select bushings by dimension. I've done this multiple times, and they're cheap enough to experiment. ------------- 1960 Rambler Super two-door wagon, OHV auto 1961 Roadster American, 195.6 OHV, T5 http://www.ramblerLore.com |
Posted By: CARnivore
Date Posted: Mar/25/2020 at 6:13pm
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Here are pics of the kit I referenced earlier that has the 2048 correct bushings along with a spare housing I have laying around. 17 bucks on amazon. You do have to grind off an inner lip on the opposite side of the housing for proper fit   |
Posted By: tomj
Date Posted: Mar/25/2020 at 8:20pm
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What's that kit number? I can't read it off the package, the image doesn't have enough resoution. ------------- 1960 Rambler Super two-door wagon, OHV auto 1961 Roadster American, 195.6 OHV, T5 http://www.ramblerLore.com |
Posted By: mbwicz
Date Posted: Mar/26/2020 at 3:58am
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CARnivore posted the link the other day. Energy Suspension P/N 4.2132G ------------- 1970 AMX, one step forward, one step back. Both steps cost time and money. |
Posted By: DoughertyAMX
Date Posted: Mar/26/2020 at 4:21am
Thanks Carnivore. I ordered a set off Amazon yesterday and plan to work on spring saddles/perches this weekend.
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Posted By: 304-dude
Date Posted: Mar/26/2020 at 4:34am
I donno... Corona virus may place that order as nonessential shippments, which are held for a number of dwys. Only food and personal needs items are shipped.everything is in minimal mode. ------------- 71 Javelin SST body 390 69 crank, 70 block & heads NASCAR SB2 rods & pistons 78 Jeep TH400 w/ 2.76 Low 50/50 Ford-AMC Suspension 79 F150 rear & 8.8 axles Ford Racing 3.25 gears & 9" /w Detroit locker |
Posted By: DoughertyAMX
Date Posted: Mar/26/2020 at 4:42am
Order shipped, already have tracking number
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Posted By: 3250man
Date Posted: Mar/27/2020 at 11:35am
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Dougherty AMX, Ordered these from Galvin's. $69 ea +15 FedEx shipping. Got them in 3 days. I'm going to "experiment" with the originals and do the John Elle rebuild.  ------------- 1974 Mellow Yellow N-code AMX (restoring)- "Steve" 2016 Chevy Colorado (RIPP supercharged V6) 1973 Corvette 1974 Trans AM Red P-code AMX |