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Topic: 1970's V-8 AMC Indy Cars
Posted By: MD Racer
Subject: 1970's V-8 AMC Indy Cars
Date Posted: May/28/2016 at 4:25pm
I also found some photos from the 1970's AMC Indy car effort. First is a photo of Indy engines including an AMC V-8.

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1971 Javelin SST
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Posted By: 304-dude
Date Posted: May/28/2016 at 5:11pm
If you notice, the AMC engine was the tallest. Donohue mentioned it in his book, and made comment about the center of gravity not working well with the engine.

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Posted By: mramc
Date Posted: May/29/2016 at 5:23pm
Ok, I'm going to add some more photos to this thread on the late 1970's AMC Indy car. This photo been on the forum before. One of the AMc factory workers took it back in the day. Dave Furlin maybe.But the AMC Indy car was displayed at the Kenosha factory some time in 1979. LRDaum

http://s183.photobucket.com/user/mramc/media/AMC%20forum%20stuff/indy3_zpsfvj2xflt.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">


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Posted By: mramc
Date Posted: May/29/2016 at 5:34pm
This photo is out of the 1979 Indy 500 Year Book The car qualified 11th which for car number 11 seems appropriate, middle of the 4th row for the 1979 race. The last year the car ran I know it went out not far into the race with an engine problem, with the aluminum block. Among other problems the blocks turned out to be porous I under stand and the Indy cars of this era used the block as stressed member of the chassis. Renault had the similar problem with they tried to use there stock block V-6 in Formula 1.The AMC Indy car qualified at 192.256 MPH and I believe set a closed course record at that time for a stock block car. I'm not sure what speed it was , but it was over 200 MPH on a oval track in Texas I believe. LRDaum

  http://s183.photobucket.com/user/mramc/media/AMC%20forum%20stuff/AMCINdycar1979_zpsjfycxjum.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">


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Posted By: mramc
Date Posted: May/29/2016 at 5:50pm
http://s183.photobucket.com/user/mramc/media/AMC%20forum%20stuff/AMCIndyEngine1979_zpsbmmtwyrb.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">

The above photos have never been published before. I have a few others. To make a long story short I went over to the Indy 500 Track in 1979 for carburetor day, with a couple friends. The Friday before the race, the last day to test for the race. My good friend Jim Harris had a camera with and managed to get into the pit area, where spectators are not suppose to go. The garage stall were the team was using was left unattended for a bit and Jim went in and took pictures of the AMC aluminum V-8 engine. One other photo was used of the engine in Eddie Marquez's Amazing AMC Muscle book on a section on the AMC Indy car. Jim Harris got me copies of all the photos of day he took and they are still in my files. I've got a few more including the Semi Truck they used to haul the AMC Indy car with but enough for today unless some one is really interested. LRDaum


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Posted By: mramc
Date Posted: May/30/2016 at 11:51am
I'm going to add a couple more AMC Indy car photos to the thread done by AMC as staged promo photos. LRDaum

http://s183.photobucket.com/user/mramc/media/AMC%20forum%20stuff/1979%20AMC%20Experimental%20Race%20Car%20Engine%20Block%20Factory%20Photo%20Warner%20Hodgdon_zpsmfx1rqsw.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">

Warner Hodgen who ran the AMC engine car program.He also the answer to the question " Did racing make you a millionaire. Yes, I use to be a multimillionaire. Warner had an oil company in Texas  and spent a lot of money on racing. Even sponsoring a NASCAR race in Texas one year and had Bobby Allison driving a Ford NASCAR racer for him for a while. A down turn in the oil industry lead to bankruptcy and he later died. LRD


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Posted By: mramc
Date Posted: May/30/2016 at 11:55am
http://s183.photobucket.com/user/mramc/media/AMC%20forum%20stuff/1979%20AMC%20Experimental%20Race%20Car%20Factory%20Photo%20Warner%20Hodgdon_zpspu9yrz1n.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">

A factory picture of Warner Hodges , the AMC Indy car and the semi truck they used to haul the car. Better then any thing else I've got. LRDaum


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Posted By: kirkwood
Date Posted: May/30/2016 at 12:48pm
Thanks for sharing the photos Mark & Larry, a few I've never seen before. I've always been interested in the AM INDY effort but there just isn't a lot of info out there on it. The cars look fantastic!

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Posted By: amcglass
Date Posted: May/30/2016 at 5:04pm
a for sure THANK you for sharing    I seen a few before but not all of these   thank you again

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Posted By: mramc
Date Posted: May/31/2016 at 12:51pm
Well I felt I owned Mark some pay back , as I did copy every one of his photos for my files. LRDaum

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Posted By: RamblinJavelin72
Date Posted: May/31/2016 at 12:59pm
Now this I did not know about... learn something new everyday.


Posted By: White70JavelinSST
Date Posted: Jun/01/2016 at 1:49pm
Where is the AMC Indy Car today?  In the Indy Museum?   Who has the other engines? 
Was everything destroyed/scrapped.




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Posted By: AlumV8
Date Posted: Jun/05/2016 at 9:59am
I found 3 all aluminum AMC V8 engines stamped with 360 with enough parts for 2 engines. When the project ended the engines were disassembled and sold to various companies and people. These were going to be used in a cigarette race boat. 

These are the pictures.
https://www.drop.com/sh/v44z4f19q8i7h1v/AABTpySvKljeO0DgLtXZ-PAHa?dl=0 - https://www.dropbox.com/sh/v44z4f19q8i7h1v/AABTpySvKljeO0DgLtXZ-PAHa?dl=0


Posted By: Javelin_GT
Date Posted: Jun/05/2016 at 5:46pm
There was an iron Indy block, an aluminum block, and some aluminum heads on eBay a couple years back.  


Posted By: mramc
Date Posted: Jun/07/2016 at 3:53pm
https://www.drop.com/sh/v44z4f19q8i7h1v/AABTpySvKljeO0DgLtXZ-PAHa?dl=0 - https://www.dropbox.com/sh/
v44z4f19q8i7h1v/AABTpySvKljeO0DgLtXZ-PAHa?dl=0

My computer is giving me a red flag and will not allow me to access this web site due to security problem of drop.com web site. Do you have an alternative to this web site.

ALSO my understanding one of the MAJOR PROBLEMS with THE AMC INDY car engine blocks was that they turn out to be porous in the 1979 version of the aluminum blocks. I got this from drag racers from back in the day that tried to use the blocks in the early 1980's with out much success.
LRDaum


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Posted By: MD Racer
Date Posted: Jun/09/2016 at 11:46pm
I looked for more info on the 1970's AMC Indy cars and found this. The car used in 1976 was a 1973 Eagle, sold to Patrick Racing for the 1973 Indy 500. It was fitted with a Ford V-8 and used in practice at Ontario 1973, but failed to qualify. It was raced by Dick Simon at two later races that season. It was used by Steve Krisiloff in 1974. It was sold to Jerry Grant at the start of 1975. Entered as the #73 Spirit Of Orange County by Fred Carillo for Grant. This car became Carillo's AMC engined car in 1976, driven by Jerry Grant and Lloyd Ruby. In 1977 the car was rebuilt to Offy specifications and sold to Jim McElreath. Subsequent history unknown.

In 1976 the car was entered in the following races;

3-14-76 Jimmy Bryan 150 Phoenix International Raceway
Qualified 19th Finished 22nd lost oil pressure.
Driver Jerry Grant

5-30-76 Indy 500
Qualified 20th Finished 27th 91 laps, flagged due to rain. It was the last car running.
Driver Jerry Grant

9-5-76 California 500 Ontario Motor Speedway
qualified 15th finished 10th, 9 laps down.
Driver jerry Grant

10-31-76 Texas 200 Texas World Speedway
Qualified 2nd Finished 13th 74 laps Oil leak.
Driver Lloyd Ruby

11-7-76 Bobby Ball 150 Phoenix International Raceway
Qualified 5th Finished 22nd 21 laps-blew engine, wrecked.
Driver Lloyd Ruby

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1971 Javelin
1971 Javelin SST
1971 Javelin AMX


Posted By: MD Racer
Date Posted: Jun/10/2016 at 12:10am
Fred Carillo for 1977 appeared with a new car said to be built in 76 on a 74 Eagle tub. Still powered by an AMC 209 ci turbo V-8. Car was entered as Carillo Rods #73 car for Jim McElreath. This car was also used in 1978 as the Warner Hodgdon entry for Roger McCluskey. Subsequent history unknown.

1977 season results.

3-6-77 Ontario 200 Ontario Motor Speedway
Qualified 13th Finished 17th 47 laps broken torsion bar
Driver Lloyd Ruby #73 Warner Hodgdon

5-30-77 Indy 500
Qualified 20th Finished 23rd 71 laps- wastegate
Driver Jim McElreath #73 Carillo Rods

6-26-77 Pocono 500 Pocono International Raceway
Qualified 32nd Finished 24th 27 laps- broken rockerarm
Driver Jim McElreath #73 Carillo Rods

7-17-77 Michigan 200 Michigan International Speedway
Qualified 9th Finished 12th 77 laps- turbo
Driver Jim McElreath #73 Carillo Rods

7-31-77 Texas 200 Texas World Speedway
Qualified 11th Finished 6th 98 laps-flagged
Driver Jim McElreath #74 Carillo Rods

9-4-77 California 500 Ontario Motor Speedway
Qualified 11th Finished 9th 186 laps-flagged
Driver Jim McElreath #74 AMC Experimental-Warner Hodgdon

9-17-77 Michigan 150 Michigan International Speedway
Qualified 12th Finished 5th 72 laps-flagged
Driver Jim McElreath #74 AMC Experimental-Warner Hodgdon


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1971 Javelin
1971 Javelin SST
1971 Javelin AMX


Posted By: MD Racer
Date Posted: Jun/10/2016 at 12:23am
1978 Season results

3-18-78 Jimmy Bryan 150 Phoenix International Speedway
Qualified 14th Finished 19th 47 laps-fuel leak
Driver Roger McCluskey #74 National Engineering-Warner Hodgdon

3-26-78 Ontario 200 Ontario Motor Speedway
Qualified 21st Finished 20th 5 laps-valve
Driver Roger McCluskey #74 National Engineering-Warner Hodgdon

4-15-78 Texas 200 Texas World Speedway
Qualified 10th Finished 20th 13 laps-vibration
Driver Roger McCluskey #74 National Engineering-Warner Hodgdon

5-28-78 Indy 500
Qualified 11th Finished 25th 82 laps-clutch
Driver Roger McCluskey #11 National Auto Engineering-Warner Hodgdon

10-28-78 Bobby Ball 150 Phoenix International Raceway
Qualified 22nd Finished 13th 143 laps-flagged
Driver Roger McCluskey #11 National Auto Engineering-Warner Hodgdon

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1971 Javelin
1971 Javelin SST
1971 Javelin AMX


Posted By: Aljav
Date Posted: Jun/10/2016 at 6:39am
Fantastic Info and pictures. Someone needs to take the time and document all this info and interview anyone who is still around from the project. We are not very good at documenting our AMC racing history. This was an amazing project with an enormous cost. I am working on AMC 's in Pro Stock and documenting as much as I can, a bit a slow but it is happening. 

Allan


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Posted By: THE MENACE
Date Posted: Jun/10/2016 at 9:25am
Great pictures!! Thanks for posting those!!!

I got to see it in person a couple of times (back in the day) at Ontario Raceway. I'm thinking I also saw it once at Riverside Raceway as well.

Sorry, I wasn't taking pictures of anything back then. I was just happy to be at the races.   

Dennis

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Posted By: MD Racer
Date Posted: Jun/23/2016 at 10:46pm
I was looking through my Indianapolis 500 Chronicle and discovered that Jerry Sneva drove the National Engineering AMC car in the 1979 500. He qualified 21st and finished 31st. The car dropped out on lap 16 with turbo trouble. I will have to see if I can dig up some photos of this car.

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1971 Javelin
1971 Javelin SST
1971 Javelin AMX


Posted By: MD Racer
Date Posted: Jul/09/2016 at 5:45pm
I found these pictures while in Indy at the Speedway yesterday of Jerry Sneva and the 1979 AMC Indy car.

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I also found this shot of the AMC Indy V-8. You can see the rocker shaft assembly through the cutaway valve cover and the extra hump down the center of the block.

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I also found another picture of the Jerry Grant car on the internet.
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1971 Javelin
1971 Javelin SST
1971 Javelin AMX


Posted By: 401Ambo
Date Posted: Jul/14/2016 at 5:22pm
Originally posted by MD Racer MD Racer wrote:


I also found this shot of the AMC Indy V-8. You can see the rocker shaft assembly through the cutaway valve cover and the extra hump down the center of the block.

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The "extra hump" down the center is part of a revised oiling system. It's the main oil gallery, it doesn't have the passages thru the lifter bores as in all other factory blocks.


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Posted By: MD Racer
Date Posted: Jul/14/2016 at 10:07pm
I thought it had to be a main oil galley. I didn't notice at first but now see the tie bar on the lifter, signifying a roller cam.

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1971 Javelin
1971 Javelin SST
1971 Javelin AMX


Posted By: 401Ambo
Date Posted: Jun/09/2018 at 9:20am




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Posted By: 401Ambo
Date Posted: Jun/09/2018 at 9:30am
AMC aluminum Indy 500 block as found:


At machine shop:


Repaired (4.00" bore):


Billet flat plane crank:



Front cover and pump:


AMC Indy 500 aluminum heads:


I am looking for other AMC Indy 500 engine parts, please contact me with any leads or parts you'd like to sell.

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Posted By: 343sharpstick
Date Posted: Jun/11/2018 at 3:09pm
Wow, AMC aluminum Indy 500 block still exists and is in good hands aparently!
This is fascinating.


Posted By: mramc
Date Posted: Jun/11/2018 at 3:14pm
Keep in mind that the Indy Car AMC aluminum engine block tended to be porous. LRDaum 

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Posted By: White70JavelinSST
Date Posted: Jun/11/2018 at 4:56pm
Is the currently available aluminum AMC block from Indy Cylinder heads better than this block?

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Posted By: 401Ambo
Date Posted: Jun/12/2018 at 9:07pm
The first thing I told the shop to do was check for porosity. It all checked out good. After discussing with the shop, a 4.00ā€ bore size was used. This gives me thick walls with good support from the block. The heads have 1.94ā€ intake and 1.55ā€ exhaust valves. I wanted to keep things metal safe, Iā€™m not looking for max power.

As for the Indy Cylinder Heads block vs the AMC block, the ICH block does have additional ribs in the valley and can be finished with a much larger bore. Think it still needs some work, others on the forum have experience with it.

Indy or Edelbrock heads will flow more than the AMC aluminum heads. I found out from Barry Allen they are limited with the valve size.

Building an AMC made all aluminum engine with a flat plane crank is just too cool to pass up. I intend to add some boost, probably with something like a Whipple supercharger.

I'd also like to find more photos of the engine with better detail of the oil system and coolant plumbing.

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Posted By: White70JavelinSST
Date Posted: Jun/13/2018 at 8:22am
Quote 401AMBO "As for the Indy Cylinder Heads block vs the AMC block, the ICH block does have additional ribs in the valley and can be finished with a much larger bore. Think it still needs some work, others on the forum have experience with it. " Quote

Thanks, I have been following the ups and downs of the Indy block. I've read it's a crap shoot if you get one that needs a lot of work or a bit of work. But they will need work regardless.

I was wondering of the strength differences, you answered that, Thanks again.


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Posted By: SC397
Date Posted: Jun/13/2018 at 9:07am
https://flic.kr/p/24NquTo" rel="nofollow"> https://flic.kr/p/24NquTo" rel="nofollow - Indy by https://www.flickr.com/photos/149168736@N07/" rel="nofollow - Rick Jones , on Flickr


Posted By: Lime Green 70
Date Posted: Sep/11/2018 at 10:42pm
learn something new every day 


Posted By: 401Ambo
Date Posted: Nov/16/2018 at 4:30pm
I learned recently of two of the AMC Indy cars that still exist and had a chance to see them. From other comments made in the past I had thought they had been parted out and long gone. Nice to see some AMC history preserved.










The number 73 car is for sale, the asking price is over $100k. It does have the all aluminum engine.




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'69 pro-Street AMX
AMX/2 (starting soon)


Posted By: WesternRed
Date Posted: Nov/16/2018 at 10:09pm
Great to see these awesome pieces of history are still out there. Wish I had 100K to spare.

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Posted By: jpnjim
Date Posted: Nov/17/2018 at 9:19am
Originally posted by WesternRed WesternRed wrote:

Great to see these awesome pieces of history are still out there. Wish I had 100K to spare.

Just curious,

+ how much to import to Aussieland?
(sorry to side track the thread).


I would hate to be responsible for taking care of a part of history by owning the car,
but wow imagine taking a whirl down your favorite windy road with this?!!
Clap


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some Jeeps and some Fords


Posted By: Aljav
Date Posted: Nov/17/2018 at 10:58am
This is why I need to win the lottery. First so I can share it with the AMC community and not be stored away. And take it for a spin on a track once in a while.Thumbs Up

Love to hear it run!!


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Posted By: Down & Dirty Dan
Date Posted: Nov/01/2019 at 10:51am
I would like to give a shout out to AMC Apprentice! I have some AMC Indy 500 motor parts. I, like you, have been collecting these parts in hope to put some thing together some day. It looks like you have more then I do, seeing as I do not have a block, or heads. So I would be willing to sell you my Indy parts. That is AMC Indy parts, (Not Russes ICH parts). Or I would be willing to trad for some AMC nostalgia drag racing parts if that would be better for you. I am a long time AMC inthewseast and straightliner, and my not in my life time be able to do anything with the Indy stuff.  Just throwing it out there if your interested.
Dan:


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Posted By: farna
Date Posted: Dec/13/2019 at 9:30am
Barney Navarro ran an AMC six at Indy with a turbo. Tomj here got some of the parts a few years ago, some collector bought the complete engine. I forget the exact specs, but it was a sleeved 199 block with reworked factory crank...  Well, I see this thread specifically mentions V-8s...


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Posted By: fast401
Date Posted: Dec/13/2019 at 8:26pm
From what I have read, Barney was knocking on the door at 650 hp out of the 199.

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Posted By: farna
Date Posted: Dec/14/2019 at 7:39pm
Yes, 640-700 with twin turbos. The turbos were staged, one feeding the other. It was also fuel injected -- they couldn't get the single turbo carbed version running good enough, but it produced 550 hp!

More details than you can find on the Indy V-8s: http://worldpowersystems.com/AMC/Navarro-turbo-motor/index.html" rel="nofollow - https://worldpowersystems.com/AMC/Navarro-turbo-motor/index.html

Pics of the complete Indy six: http://justacarguy.blogspot.com/2013/02/700-hp-199-cu-in-amc-rambler-straight-6.html" rel="nofollow - http://justacarguy.blogspot.com/2013/02/700-hp-199-cu-in-amc-rambler-straight-6.html

Photos of car with six during qualifying, 1969: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqLmLPH6PE0" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqLmLPH6PE0


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Posted By: PainintheAMX
Date Posted: Mar/28/2021 at 2:16am
I know someone who has the fuel injection from one of the Indy cars along with the rotating assembly crank, rods, and one of the the timing cover/ engine plates. If you are still wanting Indy parts I can reach out to him. 


Posted By: mramc
Date Posted: Mar/29/2021 at 3:55pm
Probably Tom Jennings is who your are thinking of.  Use the world power systems web address above and you should be able to get  a hold of him. He is on this forum. However I think Tom sold a lot of the Navarro stuff he had some time ago. LRDaum


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Posted By: 401Ambo
Date Posted: Mar/29/2021 at 6:20pm
Originally posted by mramc mramc wrote:

Probably Tom Jennings is who your are thinking of.  Use the world power systems web address above and you should be able to get  a hold of him. He is on this forum. However I think Tom sold a lot of the Navarro stuff he had some time ago. LRDaum

Larry, you are confusing this Indy V8 thread with the inline 6 Navarro thread.


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Posted By: farna
Date Posted: Mar/30/2021 at 6:27am
Larry is probably just seeing the post I made with the photos and info on the Navarro six just 3-4 posts before his. I didn't go back and see why I made that post, someone must have mentioned or asked about the six.


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Posted By: rgsauger
Date Posted: Jan/28/2023 at 9:36am
This is an absolutely fascinating thread! So much history of knowledge here. This is just awesome


Posted By: Javelin_GT
Date Posted: Jan/29/2023 at 5:01pm


Posted By: 401Ambo
Date Posted: Mar/22/2023 at 10:34am
I had a chance to see the Indy cars again along with some extra engines. 












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Posted By: Aljav
Date Posted: Mar/22/2023 at 10:40am
This is just incrediable that not one but two exist. ( do you know if these were completely or partially restored?)Plus 3 motors. I assume that these are the only two cars made?  Where are these located, would love to see them in person. Thumbs Up

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Posted By: 401Ambo
Date Posted: Mar/22/2023 at 10:42am
It looks like the blocks were from different castings.

This the casting number I've seen before for the Indy aluminum blocks.


This block only has "360" cast on the side....


And a different part number at the back of the block. Is this a regular "360" part number?



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Posted By: 401Ambo
Date Posted: Mar/22/2023 at 10:47am
Originally posted by Aljav Aljav wrote:

This is just incrediable that not one but two exist. ( do you know if these were completely or partially restored?)Plus 3 motors. I assume that these are the only two cars made?  Where are these located, would love to see them in person. Thumbs Up

The #11 car has the iron engine in it and the #73 car has the aluminum engine. The three engines in the background are all aluminum.

They are at the Ray Skillman museum in Greenwood Indiana. It's not open to the public, you can only get in by appointment. 


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Posted By: jpnjim
Date Posted: Mar/22/2023 at 3:32pm
Beautiful,
thanks for posting it!


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some Jeeps and some Fords


Posted By: Javelin_GT
Date Posted: Mar/22/2023 at 6:46pm
Intakes are interesting......don't look like Enderles or maybe modified Enderles??

The Weaver dry sump pump and bracket are mounted the same as the 71+ Trans Am Javelins.  I have one of those brackets.....bought last one Weaver has before they went out 


Posted By: 401Ambo
Date Posted: May/03/2023 at 7:57am
The intakes are modified but from what? The bridge between banks have been welded.


And one set of heads has welded exhaust ports. 



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'72 401 Ambassador wagon
'69 pro-Street AMX
AMX/2 (starting soon)


Posted By: Ken_Parkman
Date Posted: May/05/2023 at 9:12pm
I have a set of the heads. There are a couple of versions of the castings and mine are a fair amount different than the above picture. These were ported by Hank The Crank back in the day. Spent a lot of effort trying to use them, but there was no way - the castings are full of fissures.


Posted By: PAGAENT
Date Posted: May/06/2023 at 10:29am
Some of the features of those injectors look like Kinsler, they used a lot of identical hardware as Hilborn.

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Pat Gary


Posted By: 401Ambo
Date Posted: May/19/2023 at 8:46am
I have two different versions of the heads. I was told AMC had made castings first and the race team took over due to poor quality and had them made at a foundry on the west coast. These were supposed to be good. Don't know if there are any foundry marks to tell the difference. I had mine in the shop and they said they were good. They all have markings by Hank the Crank on them.




Here's a close-up of the intake.



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'72 401 Ambassador wagon
'69 pro-Street AMX
AMX/2 (starting soon)



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