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Topic: Australian Rambler Hornet Register & Info Hotline
Posted By: BigBadWayne
Subject: Australian Rambler Hornet Register & Info Hotline
Date Posted: Feb/25/2015 at 6:40am






G'day All,

My name is Wayne Williams and I'm compiling a register for Australian Rambler Hornets. The aim of the register is to capture as much info off the cars themselves and enhance our knowledge of AMI Hornet production history and give us an appreciation of how rare and unique these cars truly are.
 I am also using this register to research  the differences in model years and production numbers.







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Posted By: BigBadWayne
Date Posted: Feb/25/2015 at 6:59am
Here is a table of production numbers put together by Colin Main of the AMCRC of Australia using Data from the register.



YEAR     COMPLIANCE PLATE      AMI BUILD DATES      AMC TAG      BUILT
 
1970      H09-001 to H09-873       July 70 to Jun 71        GK                    873   
1971      H19-001 to H19-286       July 71 to Dec 71         AK                    286   
1972      H29-287 to H29-519       Mar 72 to Aug 72        AK                    232    
1973      H39-001 to H39-237       Apr 73 to Dec 73         AK                    237   
1974      H59-001 to H59-155       Mar 75 to Jun 75         A4                    155    
Total                                                                                                        1783   







Posted By: 70Hornet
Date Posted: Feb/25/2015 at 6:06pm

Great idea Wayne Smile. Will give us an indication of how many are left and what happened to some of them. Some people may have recorded the numbers of one's that were crashed or wrecked out years ago etc. Maybe another column on the Hornet's present condition might be pretty cool too ie registered, not registered, under restoration, parts car, wrecked, MIA etc. Very interesting to look at the numbers you already have. Looking forward to meeting you at the 2nd annual AMC/Rambler show in a couple of weeks to talk Hornet's Smile



Posted By: 74gremx
Date Posted: Feb/25/2015 at 6:44pm
H19-250 AK16993 is now wrecked, bad rust under vinyl roof, South Australia.



H09-358 GK 20617, slowly rusting away, owner wants big $$, South Australia



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1970 Javelin 360/727
1974 Levis Gremlin X 304/904
1964 American Convertible
1974 Matador wagon (parts)
2016 Holden Cruze Equipe
2014 Holden Colorado
"Don't mistake activity for achievement".






Posted By: BigBadWayne
Date Posted: Feb/26/2015 at 5:05am
Thanks Dave, I wrongly read it as H09-358 GK20627, makes more sense being 15 and 16 away from H0-342 GK20602 , Mike in WA's car.


Posted By: 74gremx
Date Posted: Feb/27/2015 at 3:54am
H09-203 GK16293



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1970 Javelin 360/727
1974 Levis Gremlin X 304/904
1964 American Convertible
1974 Matador wagon (parts)
2016 Holden Cruze Equipe
2014 Holden Colorado
"Don't mistake activity for achievement".






Posted By: BigBadWayne
Date Posted: Feb/27/2015 at 5:06am
Presume its a 7-70 car ?


Posted By: 70Hornet
Date Posted: Feb/28/2015 at 6:42am
Loving the photo's of the Aussie Hornet's to accompany the register Smile I don't know how to do the photo's but mine "HO9-103" is on page 35 of Aussie AMC pictures thread in front of the 'Rambler' caravan. It should look a bit better by the time it get's to the 2nd annual show in a couple of weeks. I will line all the Hornet's up so Wayne can take a good pic of them seperatly and all together. I don't think we will beat the record of 23 Hornet's in the one spot in the early 80's but we will at least be half way there. If you know any other Hornet owners encourage them to drive or trailer it to the show and be part of the action and meet Wayne and other Hornet owners Smile.  


Posted By: 70Hornet
Date Posted: May/12/2015 at 8:26pm
Hi Hornet owners out there. I am looking at fitting up some doors to my Hornet to get the ball rolling but my front hinges are not real good. What do people do with their hinges when they are flogged out? Rebuild? How? or does some-one sell pins/bushes? Any info would be great Smile


Posted By: wsw
Date Posted: Jun/08/2015 at 3:56am

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Rambler-Hornet-1970-collector-ic-muscle-car-/321776944935?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item4aeb668727 - Here's one for sale.

In the listing it says it is H09-480 and has a 3.8L 6. Is this an original 232?


Posted By: 70Hornet
Date Posted: Jun/08/2015 at 5:39pm
Hi Wayne. Yeah 3.8 would be 232. 258 would be 4.2 or 4.3. This would be another 10/70 looking at the numbers. Might be worth contacting him for more info and maybe leaving your details for the next owner. Another Hornet found Smile


Posted By: wsw
Date Posted: Jun/18/2015 at 8:06am
http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/amamoor/cars-vans-utes/1971-rambler-hornet-sedan/1081483958 - Here's another one for sale.

This is one sad sight!


Posted By: 74gremx
Date Posted: Jun/19/2015 at 4:30am
If you are going to sand blast a car, you must get a primer on it in sufficient thickness to cover the profile, and within a short period of time, or flash rusting will occur just from moisture in the air.
The car advertised is now just junk if he has had it blasted, then left it outside, which it looks like he has. That will be a big ask to get that body back in shape.
It looks like a crap blasting job anyway, with some areas done and some not.

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1970 Javelin 360/727
1974 Levis Gremlin X 304/904
1964 American Convertible
1974 Matador wagon (parts)
2016 Holden Cruze Equipe
2014 Holden Colorado
"Don't mistake activity for achievement".






Posted By: wsw
Date Posted: Jun/20/2015 at 9:53am
Yeah, it seems crazy to take all that time, and do all that work to dismantle the whole car and then just leave it outside like that.


Posted By: 70Hornet
Date Posted: Jun/24/2015 at 1:23am
If it is only surface rust then it is still easily saveable. It may look a lot worse then it really is. I wrecked out a Hornet in the early 90's that almost looked like this (I will get a pic up soon) but it literally had no actual rust other then the surface rust. I actually always wish I had of kept that shell as it was the straightest, most rust free I have seen but looked almost like the one for sale here on gumtree. As a side note the Hornet I wrecked out in the early 90's was a manual. It had everything (peddles, clutch, bellhousing etc) but no gearbox so I don't know what box was behind it. All the parts looked original. There was a Saginaw sitting inside the car when I first looked at it but he said it was for the HQ GTS that was sitting next to it covered in bird crap. The manual parts sold pretty quick and the shell went to some-one in Sydney who was going to turn it into a drag car. What was left of the paint showed it was a purple colour and apparently menaced Dubbo in its heyday. I bought it as a pair of Hornets from a barn near Oran Park raceway alongside a very original white Hornet (i wish I had of kept that too) I sold that one complete to a fella in Cherrybrook. It was near immaculate but no engine.
Anyhow if the one on gumtree only exhibits surface rust that hasn't eaten holes into the body then it may be a lot better then people think. Never judge a book by its cover Smile 
 
Looking at George Fischer's green Hornet before and after shot is a case in point. The before shot shows a car that looks a bit ordinary and to some maybe not worth the hassle but wow look at the finished car. A real credit to George. If you are reading this George, job well done mate. Great looking car Smile


Posted By: BigBadWayne
Date Posted: Sep/25/2015 at 2:00am
Yep the car has it's original engine its a 2 barrel 232 , which has the G , a 258 would have an A.

304'G'02 L4501H

Birthday 02 April 1970 , Australian Motor Industries serial no is L4501H


Posted By: 70Hornet
Date Posted: Apr/06/2016 at 7:51pm
Was talking to some-one the other day who had been contacted by the owner of the Hornet that was made into a Mercedes in the 80's. The car still exists and is being ressurrected with the front being left as Mercedes but apparently the back is going back to Hornet. I am hoping to get the owners phone number so I can give them a call for a chat and updates. A unique Hornet that still lives
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1otGbIra49E" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1otGbIra49E


Posted By: BigBadWayne
Date Posted: Apr/07/2016 at 8:25am
A 73 Hornet no less. I thought the rear lights was a good match, the front change is too much of a distraction.


Posted By: Mostly last.
Date Posted: Sep/12/2016 at 11:43pm
Can see where this goes on the register but not game to mess with your list.
H39216,   AK13286, 12-73.
What looks to be the engine number I can see on the block is
    E
709 03
S432175    
This doesn't seem to fit the pattern of the nearby cars on the register so not sure on that.
It is a 4.2L
Thought I would give this one a go cos I like my vehicles pretty much how they come from factory.




Posted By: 74gremx
Date Posted: Sep/13/2016 at 5:52am
That odd "E" is part of the engine number, but funny how it doesn't end up inline with the other numbers. I've seen that before.
So it's 709E03 which decodes as
7 = 1974
09 = September
E = 232 1 barrel
03 = 3rd day of September

However, with a 12-73 build, it appears the engine has been changed.

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1970 Javelin 360/727
1974 Levis Gremlin X 304/904
1964 American Convertible
1974 Matador wagon (parts)
2016 Holden Cruze Equipe
2014 Holden Colorado
"Don't mistake activity for achievement".






Posted By: Mostly last.
Date Posted: Sep/13/2016 at 7:02am
Thanks for that.
Forgot to add before that this Hornet looks to have been Orange originally.
Dissapointed to find the engine is not the original.
It does however start easily and runs quite well.
Found a few things I need to do before the vehicle is roadworthy.


Posted By: BigBadWayne
Date Posted: Sep/13/2016 at 9:14am
G'day,

Lovely car the best and tidiest I've seen for sale for a while
I spoke to Paul in Donnybrook about this car a while ago, its was on and off ebay. He just couldnt read the body number but said its like H39-216 but wasnt sure.

My car is H39-217 or one up also a 12-73 , and its still painted Big Bad Orange. Your paint was changed.

PM you email and I can email you the Register update.


Yes Engine was changed, My car  H39-217 12-73 AK13287 BIG Bad Orange , Buckskin Beige interior

Engine is 503'A'20 K5640H block casting is 3213867


I have a spare Engine like yours , I presumed it was from a jeep
but it came with 258 conrods , pistons are the same size, but has a different crank face , that  wont fit a BW35 torque converter, I thought it was a manual crank but maybe for the 904 torqueflite.
its date code is 708'E'08 an original  232 8th Aug 1974 engine, engine block  casting is 3218618 , the same as what is used on our 1975 Hornets. The engine has no serial number.

You may find you have a chrysler torqueflite transmission not a BW35,






Posted By: 74gremx
Date Posted: Sep/13/2016 at 6:03pm
A 74 engine will have a crank for a torqueflite for sure.

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1970 Javelin 360/727
1974 Levis Gremlin X 304/904
1964 American Convertible
1974 Matador wagon (parts)
2016 Holden Cruze Equipe
2014 Holden Colorado
"Don't mistake activity for achievement".






Posted By: BigBadWayne
Date Posted: Sep/13/2016 at 7:07pm
Thanks Dave.

I corrected my post above, The conrods are longer on a 258 than 232 conrods, but the deck height is same as 71 onwards 258. The crankshaft was stroked to make it a 258 , pistons are the same bore.

So you may have a 258 with the original BW35 if they only changed the block but reused the Rods and crankshaft.


Posted By: Mostly last.
Date Posted: Sep/19/2016 at 12:24am
Caused me some confusion. Here's a pic.
74 "E" 232 block, starter is on the right hand side.
But looks like Borg Warner transmission.
Also has extractors and two barrel carby.



Posted By: 74gremx
Date Posted: Sep/19/2016 at 1:47am
Yep, BW transmission. Somebody likes blue paint.

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1970 Javelin 360/727
1974 Levis Gremlin X 304/904
1964 American Convertible
1974 Matador wagon (parts)
2016 Holden Cruze Equipe
2014 Holden Colorado
"Don't mistake activity for achievement".






Posted By: BigBadWayne
Date Posted: Oct/06/2016 at 10:50pm

Hello,  This is September's update.

Thanks to Darren in Victoria for giving the details of his early 1972 Hornet, H29-289. Again this shows that 1972 Body numbers start at H29-28X rather than H29-001 like all other Hornets.

This (H29-289) must be this first or second or third 1972 Hornet made.

H19-286 is a 1971 Hornet made  12-71 and also a Mocca brown.

H?9-287 and H?9-288 are whereabouts unknown  so I don’t if they are 1971 or 1972.

 

The key differences I know of between 1971 and 1972 cars are the seat headrests in 1972, The 4.2 Litre badge on the C Pillar. Also the Compliance plate has Rambler Hornet 1971 Sedan , while 72 have AMC Hornet Sedan.

But generally they are hard to pick apart.

 

Also we have our first Documented Canary Yellow Car, H29-430 . 



Posted By: 70Hornet
Date Posted: Nov/10/2016 at 2:43pm
Hi Everyone
 
Wayne Williams just sent me this ebay link for brand new paint code stickers. PERFECT for you AMI Rambler Hornet/Matador/Javelin etc restoration
 
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/AMI-Lustrelife-paint-colour-decal-Safety-Wattle-Corolla-Corona-Crown-/131984035770?&_trksid=p2056016.m2518.l4276


Posted By: 70Hornet
Date Posted: Nov/11/2016 at 4:37am
Had a chat with the guy who does these and they are looking at doing as many of the AMI colours as possible. So if you want a new reproduction paint label for your AMI assembled Hornet (or any Rambler) these are the go. And are a great price
Gary is his name and was a great bloke to talk to and can be reached on mailto:sales@toyotaheritage.com" rel="nofollow - sales@toyotaheritage.com
 
He is also interested in any AMI colour charts, pics of cars with these colours, and parts that were interchangeable from Toyota/Triumph/Rambler etc
A great little finishing touch to that restoration of your Hornet



Posted By: Mostly last.
Date Posted: Mar/31/2017 at 6:00pm
Originally posted by BigBadWayne BigBadWayne wrote:

Thanks Dave.

I corrected my post above, The conrods are longer on a 258 than 232 conrods, but the deck height is same as 71 onwards 258. The crankshaft was stroked to make it a 258 , pistons are the same bore.

So you may have a 258 with the original BW35 if they only changed the block but reused the Rods and crankshaft.




Have had the engine out. Took the sump off to straighten some dents.
Measured the throw of the crank, and the length of a con rod.
Also found we had 12 balance weights.
With Waynes help found a number stamped on one of those balance weights.
3214723. All good for a 258 crank.
Seems we have a different block,3218618 ( Newer 232 block )
different head, 3214723 ( hydraulic lifters )
different intake, 3213809
All good though. Pleased to learn it is a 258. Runs well and we got it fully registered on road a couple of days ago.

Also found out this Hornet was last registered in late 2002 early 2003 in WA. KFM507. Would like to find out more about it if thats familiar to anyone.




Posted By: 70Hornet
Date Posted: May/09/2017 at 9:17am
For Hornet owners interest Gary Hunt who has been making some AMI decals (original paint decals, tin body plates etc) for our cars is looking at doing the 70/71 Hornet rear lenses in the not too distant future (for Australian and US market) as well as the AMI guard badges inserts which will be great for our Aussie built Ramblers.

To show some interest and ask any questions don't hesitate to contact him through his website;

www.toyotaheritage.com

or phone him on 0416645334

He has been making rare Toyota lenses and parts (with great success and quality) and is focusing on the many unique AMI parts. His interest in AMC's and the Hornet lenses stems from this. Feel free to contact him and register your interest in the lenses and AMI badges and ask about any other parts he may have, or have in the pipeline for our cars. Great to see this sort of stuff happening now


Posted By: 70Hornet
Date Posted: May/28/2017 at 11:48pm
Gary has also indicated he may be able to reproduce other near unobtainable (in good condition anyhow) parts for Hornets down the track, subject to interest, cost etc of course, are;

Australian AMI RHD gauge fascia's that are always broken.

Fuel tank filler plastic cover. These are always deeply scratched and damaged and broken. I think only 70/71 had these?.

Australian Hornet Dome light. Ours Hornets received US Javelin spec dome lights which are very hard to find NOS and sought after by Javelin owners in US as well.

Chrome pistol grip button. These are always losing their chrome. These wernt on US hornets. Does anybody know what they were off in the US?

A long way down the track he may be able to do the ultra rare to find dashpads. These are ALWAYS buckled and broken. These also suit US Hornets and Gremlins so he a good market there. He is in the process of doing a Toyota one that is similar.

Feel free to contact him and put items into the pipeline. Some, or maybe even none of these, may happen BUT it is a good feeling to know that there is a possibility of them being reproduced after so many years of being out of production

Of course it ALL depends on YOU. AMI Hornet, and all other Australian and US based AMC owners showing some interest in what Gary is capable of.

I don't think too many chances will come by for some of these items to be remade again down the track. Lets make the most of it

Happy AMC'ing





Posted By: BigBadWayne
Date Posted: Aug/07/2017 at 8:05am

Now we have 7 pages of the Hornet Register and over 150 Hornets on the register

Apologies for the new polices of Photobucket so you must cut and paste the links in your browser.

Page 1, 1970 Hornets Part 1
https://picload.org/image/rwaoaarl/hornetregister_june2017p1.jpg

Page 2, 1970 Hornets Part 2
https://picload.org/image/rwaoairr/hornetregister_june2017p2.jpg

Page 3, 1971 Hornets
https://picload.org/image/rwaoapoi/hornetregister_june2017p3.jpg

Page 4, 1972 Hornets
https://picload.org/image/rwaoogii/hornetregister_june2017p4.jpg

Page 5, 1973 Hornets Part 1
https://picload.org/image/rwaoorgr/hornetregister_june2017p5.jpg

Page 6, 1973 Hornets Part 2
https://picload.org/image/rwaoorrl/hornetregister_june2017p6.jpg

Page 7, 1975 Hornets
https://picload.org/image/rwaoordl/hornetregister_june2017p7.jpg







Posted By: WesternRed
Date Posted: Aug/07/2017 at 9:09am
Good stuff.


Posted By: BigBadWayne
Date Posted: Aug/27/2017 at 8:26pm
Hi All,

Just updating the total production estimate found in the top of this thread to 1769,  as H09-864 a June 1971 , 1970 Hornet was added yesterday! This increase the 1970 Total from 831 to 864. So 1970 production ran to June 71 and 1971 production started in July 1971. Sill looking for a 9-70 Hornet!
There is scope for this figure still to increase if we find 9-72 1972s(US model 1971) or any 1974s(US model 1972s)




YEAR     COMPLIANCE PLATE      AMI BUILD DATES      AMC TAG      BUILT 
 
1970      H09-001 to H09-864       July 70 to Jun 71        GK                    864    
1971      H19-001 to H19-286       July 71 to Dec 71         AK                    286    
1972      H29-287 to H29-519       Mar 72 to Aug 72        AK                    232    
1973      H39-001 to H39-237       Apr 73 to Dec 73         AK                    237   
1974      H59-001 to H59-150       Mar 75 to Jun 75         A4                    150    
Total                                                                                                        1769   



Posted By: 70Hornet
Date Posted: Oct/08/2017 at 5:20pm
Retro Auto magazine that is one of the better magazines around these days (this one on-line only) has an article on the Hornet's featuring one of the nicest original Australian assembled Hornets left in Australia. This car will be at next years show again for everyone to have a look at. 

https://www.shannons.com.au/club/news/retroautos-october-2017-exclusive-ford-ltd-prototypes-plus-67-valiant-v870horne/

and click "View Magazine"

David will be doing a few AMC's over the course of the next 18months

If possible leave some comments about the article and Hornets and AMC's in general. The more people that do the more they will see the interest in AMC's. It will only take you a minute to do and Shannons use comments to gauge what they will keep doing or avoid. lets show them AMC's really are an important part of the Australian landscape Smile  


Posted By: 70Hornet
Date Posted: Dec/23/2017 at 6:04pm
A South African Hornet for sale atm. Spot the differences Smile

https://www.gumtree.co.za/a-classic-vintage-cars/mosselbaai/1971-rambler-hornet-sst/1002143954100910888620109


Posted By: BigBadWayne
Date Posted: Feb/01/2018 at 6:15am
Hi All,

Just updating the total production estimate found in the top of this thread to 1778,  as H09-873 a June 1971 , 1970 Hornet was added recently! This increases the 1970 Total from 864 to 873. So 1970 production ran to June 71 with 1971 Model production starting in July 1971.




YEAR     COMPLIANCE PLATE      AMI BUILD DATES      AMC TAG      BUILT 
 
1970      H09-001 to H09-873       July 70 to Jun 71        GK                    873    
1971      H19-001 to H19-286       July 71 to Dec 71         AK                    286    
1972      H29-287 to H29-519       Mar 72 to Aug 72        AK                    232    
1973      H39-001 to H39-237       Apr 73 to Dec 73         AK                    237   
1974      H59-001 to H59-150       Mar 75 to Jun 75         A4                    150    
Total                                                                                                        1778  


Posted By: 70Hornet
Date Posted: Feb/01/2018 at 4:11pm
Hi Wayne. Always interesting to hear what you have found in regards to the Australian Hornets and looking forward to catching up with you here at the 5th annual AMC/Rambler show in March. All going well we may have about 10 Hornets in march. From Vic,NSW,QLD and SA including Australia's only SC/360 Smile


Posted By: BigBadWayne
Date Posted: Feb/01/2018 at 5:27pm
Hi Jason,

Thanks for organising this,
Looking forward to going , will be there in Wadonga  March 18. 
Can't spend enough time looking at Hornets , always something new to discover! My camera will be busy.

regards

Wayne


Posted By: 70Hornet
Date Posted: Apr/28/2018 at 11:00pm
The reproduction of early Hornet tail light lenses is progressing as we speak. These havnt been produced for over 30 years since the mid 80's when AMC US done their last batch of these sought after lenses. Going by the quality of the other AMI items Gary has produced these will be a beaut addition to our broken, missing, scratched , faded and tatty one's we near all have now on our Hornet's and will be popular both here in Australia and the US. Will be good to have a spare on the shelf for a rainy day too

While they are still a few months off Gary can be contacted on 0416645334 or visit www.toyotaheritage.com and pop him an email to secure yourself a set

He is also reproducing the Australian only AMI front guard and rear 1/4 badges soon. Be sure to secure you pair of these sought after items. I have never seen a perfect one on a car nor any NOS one's so looking forward to getting a pair of these


Posted By: BigBadWayne
Date Posted: May/20/2018 at 7:22am
Here is a table of production numbers put together by Colin Main of the AMCRC of Australia using Data from the register.



YEAR     COMPLIANCE PLATE      AMI BUILD DATES      AMC TAG      BUILT 
 
1970      H09-001 to H09-873       July 70 to Jun 71        GK                    873   
1971      H19-001 to H19-286       July 71 to Dec 71        AK                    286    
1972      H29-287 to H29-519       Mar 72 to Aug 72        AK                    232    
1973      H39-001 to H39-237       Apr 73 to Dec 73         AK                    237   
1974      H59-001 to H59-155       Mar 75 to Jun 75         A4                    155    
Total                                                                                                    1783   


I had a dream the other night that we would find more 1973 Hornets , almost , we have just found H59-155, a 6-75 , so there are at least 155 made , 1975 AMI Hornets, which are based on the USA  1974 Models. Production estimate increased to 1783.



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