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Topic: AMC Bellhousing ID?
Posted By: ramblingon
Subject: AMC Bellhousing ID?
Date Posted: Jan/05/2011 at 12:17pm

I found an old perfectly good AMC Bellhousing which I think came off one of my donor 63-66 Classic 770 cars I had in the past.  It was in one of my boxes of parts, but can't remember what rig it came from, if any!!  

The part is an aluminum bell for a manual transmission with part number inside next to the clutch lever ball socket numbered 3235824 (3236824 I can't tell).  Does anyone have part # access to ID the engine, car and transmission paring.  I tried fitting up a BW T-86OD and the bell's transmission holes have a much wider spread than that tranny.  The bell has 4 holes for mounting the transmission with 6 1/2" vertical spacing on the right and left sides; 6 1/2" horizontal spacing on the bottom two holes; and 7 7/8" horizontal on the top two holes.  It looks like it might accomodate a larger face like a T-10. 
 
I would post a picture of it, but guess I can't do that until I get a few more forum postings.  Any leads would be appreciated, thanks.


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MCMLXV



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Posted By: AMC instigator
Date Posted: Jan/05/2011 at 1:34pm
Pretty sure I know what you got, I will compare some numbers on the bells I have and let you know. SH


Posted By: AMC instigator
Date Posted: Jan/06/2011 at 6:18pm
The number 3235824 bell you have is from a 84-86 Jeep used with an SR-4 4speed. If you look across from the number you listed, near where the starter fits, it will have a circle with a year in it, like say 84.  It has been used by folks for the conversion to the AMC used 5 speed like in a 83 spirit. It can also be used to fit a SR-4 4speed in a v-8 or 6cyl 76-83. The fork hole is larger than those cars originally used, but it will work and function fine. SH


Posted By: ramblingon
Date Posted: Jan/06/2011 at 6:44pm
Yes thank you.  I received several emails from AMC folks that suggested it might be from an AMC Jeep.  I looked up Jeep Bell configurations, sure enough it showed a picture of mine for a Wagonner 327.  The article mentioned that it should fit the AMC 327, but cannot fit up a T-10 standard, Ford or GM unit to it,  it had to be a Jeep or AMC T-10 as the bolt pattern is proprietary to AMC.  So I guess that my Bellhousing might work for the 4 and 5 speed units you mentioned  and allow some Ramblers to have a 4 or 5 speed in their rides.  It would save fuel and give a sweet ride to those old  Ramblers!
 
Thanks for the update and your research, it is for sale if anyone wants to use it, send me a PM to work out the details.


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MCMLXV


Posted By: ramblingon
Date Posted: Jan/06/2011 at 8:54pm
Since my last note, inputs and leads have let me positively ID'd the bellhousing.  It isn't so good news for you 287/327 V8 folks.  It is a AMC/Jeep/Javelin/AMX bell that fits AMC Mopar 304, 360 and 401 V-8 and 258 I-6 engines.  Unless the 287/327 V-8 engines have the same engine bolt patterns as those AMC/Mopar engines beyond 1966 it won't fit the 287/327 V8s.  Only AMC/Jeep T-10 will fit this bell as well as other listed 4 and 5 speed transmissions.  The exact bellhousing I have is now being sold on eBay item 190417624847 for those AMC/Jeep engines. You might want to take a look to verify the engine bolt patterns to see the exact duplicate of mine.   I appreciate all the PMs, personal research, and leads you all provided to help me ID this bell, Thanks again.
 
Now that it has been ID'd if anyone needs a bell for the 1966 and later Mopar AMC/Jeep engines it sounds like this is the one to adapt some 4 and 5 speed trannys listed for the AMC/Jeep vehicles.  Just shoot me a PM and we can work out the details.



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MCMLXV


Posted By: poormansMACHINE
Date Posted: Jan/06/2011 at 9:12pm
Originally posted by ramblingon ramblingon wrote:

It is a AMC/Jeep/Javelin/AMX bell that fits AMC Mopar 304, 360 and 401 V-8 and 258 I-6 engines.




I'd really leave the Mopar outta this.


Posted By: 67RogueX-Code
Date Posted: Jan/06/2011 at 9:20pm
Originally posted by poormansMACHINE poormansMACHINE wrote:

Originally posted by ramblingon ramblingon wrote:

It is a AMC/Jeep/Javelin/AMX bell that fits AMC Mopar 304, 360 and 401 V-8 and 258 I-6 engines.




I'd really leave the Mopar outta this.
 
...thanks PMM, you must have heard my teeth grating together too... Wink


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Bob Wilcox

67RogueX-Code


Posted By: poormansMACHINE
Date Posted: Jan/06/2011 at 9:23pm
Originally posted by 67RogueX-Code 67RogueX-Code wrote:

Originally posted by poormansMACHINE poormansMACHINE wrote:

Originally posted by ramblingon ramblingon wrote:

It is a AMC/Jeep/Javelin/AMX bell that fits AMC Mopar 304, 360 and 401 V-8 and 258 I-6 engines.




I'd really leave the Mopar outta this.
 
...thanks PMM, you must have heard my teeth grating together too... Wink

Couldn't hear it over mine.LOL


Posted By: ramblingon
Date Posted: Jan/06/2011 at 9:45pm
Ok, OK, Ok for the sake of the forum.........disregard Mopar!!!!  Will AMC/Jeep be allowed?  I just got carried away at finding the ID of this bell and forgot my place in the AMC world and for which it stands!!  Sorry 'bout that!!!! 

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MCMLXV


Posted By: poormansMACHINE
Date Posted: Jan/06/2011 at 9:48pm
AMC/Jeep isn't the problem. 304 isn't a Mopar engine and the 360 Mopar shares nothing but displacement and spark plugs with the AMC.


Posted By: ramblingon
Date Posted: Jan/06/2011 at 10:06pm
 Ouch   Thank you for that information on the engines in the AMC lineage.....learned another thing this evening.    I learned a lot when I rebuilt my 327 which was a Hudson engine design and didn't share anything with the SBC 327s.  I didn't know that the 290, 304, 360 and 401 V-8s didn't come from the Chrysler drawing boards.   I'm learning more and more each day I log into this forum and happy you folks keep the records and information straight, especially coming from newbees like me. 
 
Thanks for the slap on the head, I'll try to get it right in future discussions.  
 


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MCMLXV


Posted By: rusty71sst
Date Posted: Sep/03/2013 at 7:54pm
found this post on internet search. Can anybody identify a 3179072 # bell housing? Its on fleabay and I need a bell housing for my 71 javelin. thanks Steve

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amc is the torque master!


Posted By: ramblingon
Date Posted: Sep/04/2013 at 10:35am
I received an email notice you needed some help identifying a Bell for your Javelin.  The one you listed on eBay was gone/sold by the time I looked.  Hopefully you received the info you needed for your car.  I haven't followed you postings, but it would helped by stating in your postings what engine you have in your car and then the associated fit for auto or manual bell can be better ID'd by the Forum folks.  I found this forum to be a super source for my 65 Classic 770 2dr HT needs, hopefully you did too as there are many AMC experts that will gladly help in your Javelin restoration.  Pictures are always very helpful in your future quests.  Good luck.

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MCMLXV


Posted By: Marty
Date Posted: Sep/24/2013 at 3:53pm
I Have an Old Aluminum 3 Speed Standard Shift Bell Housing . I will GO OUT TO THE BARN TOMORROW and Check out any # s and Measure and count the holes etc. it is 1966 or 1967 V/8 I AM Taking Pictures also , But! Do Not Know ? How to Contact you ? SEND YOU THOSE PIC'S Or AM I ABLE TO POST PIC'S ON THIS SIGHT ( 14 POINT'S ??? I THINK ??) WELL, WILL PROBABLY PUT AD ON E-BAY WITH PIC'S AND BE ABLE TO SEND YOU A MSG WITH THE AD # ( BUT! MAYBE CAN NOT THAT EITHER .. Well , Later ! Mike in North Central FLorida 32148


Posted By: rusty71sst
Date Posted: Sep/25/2013 at 10:26am
its simple just post here and help share knowledge with the world or you can pm me. I am just learning about these VERY DIFFERENT amc's. I grew up with the muscle cars for the big three but the amc bug didn't bite till last year. I plan to rebuild 2 amc javelins as time,money and parts permits. When I was growing up my father was a ford man,I was too till in my late 20's I caught the mopar bug. I still have a yard of mopar projects. Now I also have a pair of Javelins for them to sleep with. I plan on having my own muscle car collection to keep me busy through my retirement years.This is what I have been planning for a retirement program. I view this as a life time hobby, not a job,not a way of making income just my idea of fun.just my 2 cents.

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amc is the torque master!


Posted By: uncljohn
Date Posted: Sep/25/2013 at 1:59pm
As I stand in my garage and look around,  I too have one of those bell housings and the pedal assy to fit a hornet or Gremlin, might even work in a Concord or Spirit. And a Merkure 5 speed that would work with a bit of rebuilding.  A 232 with go fast goodies on the shelf and a pair of 360's, a pair of 904's and two hornets, one that needs to be restored which is where one of the 360's will end up leaving me with a 304.  And one of the 232's will end up in a street rod. One of the Hornets will be restored and sold the other is ending up as a street rod and I am 71.  Yup it is indeed a life time hobby.



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70 390 5spd Donohue
74 Hornet In restoration
76 Hornet, 5.7L Mercury Marine Power
80 Fuel Injected I6 Spirit
74 232 I-6, 4bbl, 270HL Isky Cam


Posted By: Marty
Date Posted: Sep/27/2013 at 9:21am
http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/krzyze-as-i-am/slideshow/
I Am Still Trying to Find Out What Mine FIT'S? Tag Just SAYS 1966/1967 V/8 3 Speed and the # on yours is diff !


Posted By: uncljohn
Date Posted: Sep/27/2013 at 10:24am
If you were able to identify the transmission that would be some kind of a help as certain transmissions were available on certain models, although the bolt pattern between some of them were identical
In any case I found this information and it ig

and it might help you out some what.  If this helps at all than a 66 67 v8 would indicate something like a 290 or 343 which has the same mounting requirements of any of the V8's used from that time on to end of production.  Including the I-6's from 1972 on.


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70 390 5spd Donohue
74 Hornet In restoration
76 Hornet, 5.7L Mercury Marine Power
80 Fuel Injected I6 Spirit
74 232 I-6, 4bbl, 270HL Isky Cam


Posted By: Marty
Date Posted: Sep/27/2013 at 10:52am
wORKING ON Photobucket album

http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/krzyze-as-i-am/media/RearView_zps8f6ebd34.jpg.html

Working on Pic's of that 1956 Nash COUNTRY CLUB "Special v/8" Ambassador 2 Door Hard TOP > I FOUND IN MY LITTLE North Central FLorida Town For Sale for $1,000 A Real Barn FINE ! SHE DID SHINE ! SHE SMILED AT ME ** She Needs A Great New Home ** and Be On The Road Again or Even A Trailer Queen .. not my Call !! Later .. Mike in North Central FLorida 32148


Posted By: amcFever
Date Posted: Sep/27/2013 at 11:49am
Marty,up in the righthand corner,where the little wheel symbol is,on the Picture you Want,in your photobucket app/album,

click That--->>THEN it brings up a whole list of links.
left-click the one that says Image img.
the Very last one at the bottom of the list.
it will say Copied for a brief 3 second pause.

then just come here hit right click on mouse and paste it into your post here.
then it will auto load the pics .
you can use the Preview button to make sure the pics loaded right as well ;) .
cheers!,Rob

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you dont get old and say i wish i had.....you get old and say..im glad i did.


Posted By: Marty
Date Posted: Sep/27/2013 at 12:01pm
Thank You , For That INFO . First Attempt
http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/krzyze-as-i-am/media/RearView_zps8f6ebd34.jpg. -

OH! THAT IS GREAT ! NEXT ? Find the Answer to the Type of Fork Used / The Size of HOLE CUT OUT ? and nice rubber flap still there in good condition ( there are other items still bolted in side / out side / the only # found so far is # 2 3171783 A


Posted By: farna
Date Posted: Sep/27/2013 at 12:03pm
Dan, the AMC 327 isn't a Hudson design either, it's an AMC design. It was introduced in mid 1956 model year as a 250 in the Hudson Hornet Special and Nash Ambassador Special (actually the smaller Wasp and Statesman two door hardtops with Hornet/Ambo trim). It was for all practical purposes a clean slate design. The main design engineer came over from Kaiser and had worked on a Kaiser V-8 design (actually built a prototype) and he brought his experience over to AMC. I'm sure there are some design elements from the Kaiser design in the Gen1 AMC V-8 (56-66 250/287/327), but it was designed in-house at AMC (AMC formed in 1954 as a merger between Nash and Hudson).

Just to complete the history lesson, the Gen2 AMC V-8 is the 1966-69 290/343/390, and the Gen3 is the 70-91 304/360/401 (and 1970 only 390).

Some people don't like the "GenX" designation as GM uses a similar nomenclature, but it's just short for "Generation X" and is accurate. There is little difference between the Gen2 and Gen3, but the block and head castings changed. Just a slightly taller deck on the block, different exhaust ports on the head -- but all parts interchange with a few caveats (such as custom piston pin heights for some crank/rod/bore combos). The Gen1 is totally different -- the only commonality between the Gen1 and Gen2/3 is the bore centers. That was done so that the old boring equipment could be used to bore the new block, saving a couple million bucks.


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Frank Swygert


Posted By: Buzzman72
Date Posted: Sep/27/2013 at 2:53pm
Frank, I think a lot of folks look at the reinforcing at the bottom of the Y-block that is the Gen 1 V8 and, after comparing it with the Hudson Hornet 308 six, assume that there's at least some Hudson influence in that part of the design.

Besides...if it'd been totally a Hudson design under A. E. Barit, it would've still been a flathead Wink...


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Buzzman72...void where prohibited, your mileage may vary, objects in mirror may be closer than they appear, and alcohol may intensify any side effects.



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