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Topic: How to ID a Twin Grip
Posted By: fmahannah
Subject: How to ID a Twin Grip
Date Posted: Nov/24/2010 at 6:42pm
Can anyone tell from this photo if the 3.15 in my 74 Javelin is a Twin-Grip or not? Thanks!




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Posted By: poormansMACHINE
Date Posted: Nov/24/2010 at 6:48pm
Didn't even bother looking did you?
http://theamcforum.com/forum/twin-grip-id_topic24254.html - http://theamcforum.com/forum/twin-grip-id_topic24254.html


Posted By: fmahannah
Date Posted: Nov/24/2010 at 6:55pm
Yes I did look but can't see enough of it in the car to match to those photos. If I had to guess I would say mine is the one on the right in those photos based on the shape of the parts I can see.




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Posted By: poormansMACHINE
Date Posted: Nov/24/2010 at 7:04pm
Originally posted by fmahannah fmahannah wrote:

Yes I did look but can't see enough of it in the car to match to those photos



Except for the bearings which mean nothing,  the whole thing is in your picture.


Posted By: 72Javelin
Date Posted: Nov/24/2010 at 7:41pm
I would say no Twin Grip based on that photo

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Posted By: fmahannah
Date Posted: Nov/24/2010 at 8:09pm
Thanks for the straight answer.

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Posted By: billd
Date Posted: Nov/24/2010 at 8:22pm
Simple - put the car in park, raise one wheel and try to turn it.

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Posted By: 390spirit
Date Posted: Nov/25/2010 at 8:50am


Posted By: 390spirit
Date Posted: Nov/25/2010 at 8:56am
 


Posted By: billd
Date Posted: Nov/25/2010 at 12:03pm
Far away pic of a twin-grip:
 


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Posted By: fmahannah
Date Posted: Nov/25/2010 at 12:11pm
Thanks for the pics guys. Now I know what I wish I had in my Javelin Cry

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Posted By: mchaggis
Date Posted: Dec/16/2010 at 5:27pm

Sorry to hijack this thread but to expand this subject a little I want to know where on the housing the stamped letter code is that indicates the gear ratio?



Posted By: billd
Date Posted: Dec/16/2010 at 6:25pm
 
Mine has a C code


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Posted By: 70 Donohue 390
Date Posted: Dec/16/2010 at 6:32pm
"Well I'll Be" as Gomer would say. I always thought (and was told) that it was on the flat pad
on the actual housing. I have a spare rear end that has a partial letter stamped on the pad. I'll
have to check the cover. Thanks for that info billd



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Posted By: mchaggis
Date Posted: Dec/16/2010 at 7:46pm
I've looked and looked but can't see any marks.  It's a twin grip thats in a 69 Javelin that was one of the Aussie assembled ones and is therefore right hand drive.
 
Just explaining that in case they did things differently in Aussie, however I'd have thought that the diffs would have shipped ex USA assembled.
 
Any other ideas?


Posted By: billd
Date Posted: Dec/16/2010 at 9:22pm
Here's the inspection mark on the other flat pad, but the right one had nothing at all, you can see it in the pic below this one with the inspection mark. 
 
 


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Posted By: madmax
Date Posted: Dec/17/2010 at 8:35am
through the years i have found stamps on the cover and housing. i think it just depended on what they hit that time with the stamp.
usually left side.
 
 
 


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Posted By: steeters
Date Posted: Dec/17/2010 at 11:33am
That's a great picture and explanation.  I've been under my car many times looking for the stamp with no luck.  I'll check the diff cover...I had no idea it could end up there too.  Mysteries of the world - solved.


Posted By: purple72Gremlin
Date Posted: Dec/17/2010 at 1:09pm
Interesting,  Code on my 79 AMX says 2.87TG, but never have found the code on my Gremlin, and it does not have TG.


Posted By: whizkidder
Date Posted: Dec/17/2010 at 2:10pm
The code on my '70 is on the left side, but under the diff cover flange, so the cover has to come off to see it.

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Posted By: billd
Date Posted: Dec/17/2010 at 3:04pm
1970 TSM, page 11-1 ->   (as well as 1971)
 
"All 8 7/8" axles will have the AXLE RATIO CODE stamped on the differential cover housing flange"
 
................. exactly where mine is. So mine is correct - in the correct location - according to the AMC 1970 TSM.  "cover flange". The C is on the cover, on the flange of the cover. Not on the differential housing.  So if it ended up on the housing, that wasn't according to the book  ;-)
 
The smaller axle code is on a tag "affixed to a differential housing cover screw".
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Now wait - the 1974 TSM states:
"The axle ratio identification code is located on the axle tube housing boss, adjacent to the dowel hole".
THAT's what a lot of you are talking about................ next to the DOWEL hole on the axle housing/tube itself. (the axle tube housing is the case middle part of the differential, the bit the axle tubes press into, so the code is on the cast axle tube housing where it's been machined for the spreader)
 
 


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Posted By: purple72Gremlin
Date Posted: Dec/17/2010 at 6:26pm
Originally posted by billd billd wrote:

1970 TSM, page 11-1 ->   (as well as 1971)
 
"All 8 7/8" axles will have the AXLE RATIO CODE stamped on the differential cover housing flange"
 
................. exactly where mine is. So mine is correct - in the correct location - according to the AMC 1970 TSM.  "cover flange". The C is on the cover, on the flange of the cover. Not on the differential housing.  So if it ended up on the housing, that wasn't according to the book  ;-)
 
The smaller axle code is on a tag "affixed to a differential housing cover screw".
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Now wait - the 1974 TSM states:
"The axle ratio identification code is located on the axle tube housing boss, adjacent to the dowel hole".
THAT's what a lot of you are talking about................ next to the DOWEL hole on the axle housing/tube itself. (the axle tube housing is the case middle part of the differential, the bit the axle tubes press into, so the code is on the cast axle tube housing where it's been machined for the spreader)
 
 
The 1972 TSM says the same thing as the 1974 TSM......(I have both the 1972 &1974 TSM's)


Posted By: AMC instigator
Date Posted: Dec/17/2010 at 6:44pm
71 is the last for it to be on the cover flange, then it swaps to the dowel hole flat spot. I have seen some 70 and 71 models with it on the dowel flat as well big cars only though. As the cars get newer, the letter gets smaller too. Sometimes I have seen them with a half faint letter from them being stamped by a worker that didn't hold the punch straight. So you have to clean with wire brush and look closely. Especially if you live with rust. SH


Posted By: purple72Gremlin
Date Posted: Dec/17/2010 at 6:49pm
Originally posted by AMC instigator AMC instigator wrote:

71 is the last for it to be on the cover flange, then it swaps to the dowel hole flat spot. I have seen some 70 and 71 models with it on the dowel flat as well big cars only though. As the cars get newer, the letter gets smaller too. Sometimes I have seen them with a half faint letter from them being stamped by a worker that didn't hold the punch straight. So you have to clean with wire brush and look closely. Especially if you live with rust. SH
That makes sense to me..............I guess when I get the rear end out of my '72, I will have to look very closely again.


Posted By: billd
Date Posted: Dec/17/2010 at 11:44pm
>>Sometimes I have seen them with a half faint letter from them being stamped by a worker that didn't hold the punch straight. So you have to clean with wire brush and look closely. Especially if you live with rust. SH <<
 
Oh, yeah, for sure! I've seen a few of those.... even on the chassis behind the steering sector - the VIN can be very hard to read. I've got some number stamps and if you don't hold 'em perfectly straight, especially on hard material, a 0 might end up like a C
I've not looked in other TSMs, I'm limited on those in the 70s, but suspected that it was a change in the "official" place after roughly 71 or 72. That pretty much matches the "majority" of what I remember. Of course, someone in a hurry can stamp it just close, or maybe someone not familiar with the change, etc. - of a bit hung over from the last holiday.........


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Posted By: mchaggis
Date Posted: Dec/18/2010 at 3:58am
So I guess I'll need to get under it again and have another look on the cover. 
If I do find it what are the codes?  I guess they're on here somewhere but after a quick look I haven't found them.


Posted By: purple72Gremlin
Date Posted: Dec/18/2010 at 7:39am
Originally posted by mchaggis mchaggis wrote:

So I guess I'll need to get under it again and have another look on the cover. 
If I do find it what are the codes?  I guess they're on here somewhere but after a quick look I haven't found them.
In the TSM.    I think AMC used the same codes for years.


Posted By: PHAT69AMX
Date Posted: Dec/18/2010 at 7:58am

AMC REAR AXLE DIFFERENTIAL RATIO INFO

from illustrated parts manual section Group 9.050-1

Illustrated is the general location of the rear axle
Ratio Tag used on all cars except 1970 thru 1972 10-80.
These cars have a stamped code on the cover flange.

"J" = 19/45 = 2.37
"G" = 13/43 = 2.73
"H" = 15/41 = 2.73
"C" = 15/43 = 2.87 ... 68/70 V8 ... 320 9610 (Use 448 6156)
"F" = 13/40 = 3.08
"B" = 13/41 = 3.15 ... 68/70 V8 ... 320 9609 (Use 448 6155)
"A" = 11/39 = 3.54 ... 68/70 V8 ... 320 9608
"E" = 12/43 = 3.58
"D" = 11/43 = 3.91

Dealer Installed .... Group 19 ... Performance Ratios:

"?" = 11/41 = 3.73 ... 19.950 ... 448 5749
"?" = 11/43 = 3.91 ... 19.950 ... 448 5750
"?" = 10/41 = 4.10 ... 19.950 ... 320 8546
"?" =  9/40 = 4.44 ... 19.950 ... 320 9854
"?" =  9/45 = 5.00 ... 19.950 ... 448 6587

9.003-1 = rear end housing



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Posted By: steeters
Date Posted: Dec/18/2010 at 9:48am
Are there any rules about the ratios and the LSD?  For example, if you order a 3.54 ratio is it mandatory that you have LSD?


Posted By: mchaggis
Date Posted: Dec/18/2010 at 1:51pm

Thanks for the info.  The reason I'm trying to find the code is to identify the carrier.  I've been told different story's over the years about what ratio carriers fit what gears.  I think mine is a 3.15 but it could also be a 2.87 and I'm about to order a set of 3.73 but the vendor has asked me to identify the current ratio before he ships the new set.

What is the real story? 


Posted By: PHAT69AMX
Date Posted: Dec/18/2010 at 2:57pm
Thought it was only the 2.73 Carrier where the "split" was for Ratio compatibility ?
That a 2.87 and Up all use the same Carrier / Ring & Pinion Sets ?
Replaced a 3.15 with 3.73 20 sum years ago.


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Posted By: mchaggis
Date Posted: Dec/18/2010 at 4:26pm
If its the 2.87:1 then I'm assuming the 3.73 will still fit?  I've read somewhere the 2.87 where different to both the 2.73 and the 3.08 and lower making it 3 different carriers????


Posted By: FuzzFace2
Date Posted: Dec/18/2010 at 5:49pm
The 3.08 is the cut off for the other makes at least for GM. I would say if the vender wants to know then I would pull the cover and count teeth so you geet the right parts the first time.
 
Now when I get to the back of my project I know where to look for the stamp. Oh if I cant find it when I have the cover off to change the oil I will count teeth.
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Posted By: billd
Date Posted: Dec/18/2010 at 9:53pm
Originally posted by steeters steeters wrote:

Are there any rules about the ratios and the LSD?  For example, if you order a 3.54 ratio is it mandatory that you have LSD?
 
If you have LSD you should not be driving. It's illegal still in most states anyway, but it impacts your vision, reaction times, etc.


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Posted By: purple72Gremlin
Date Posted: Dec/18/2010 at 9:58pm
IIRC, it is the 2.56 gears thats got the weird carrier, the 2.87 up carrier is the same.  but dont quote me on this..............


Posted By: poormansMACHINE
Date Posted: Dec/18/2010 at 10:04pm
Originally posted by purple72Gremlin purple72Gremlin wrote:

IIRC, it is the 2.56 gears thats got the weird carrier, the 2.87 up carrier is the same.  but dont quote me on this..............

Sounds right to me on a model 20.
I've used a trac lock that had 4.10's and put it in a car with 2.87's.


Posted By: nda racer
Date Posted: Dec/19/2010 at 3:51am
I have both 2.87 and 3.54 carriers laying here and they are the same.


Posted By: mchaggis
Date Posted: Dec/19/2010 at 9:10pm

I've had this link sent to me.  It might be of interest to some but I'm still unsure.  For my money I betting the 2.87 and lower share the same carrier as the post above states but I'm not 100%.

So, are there 2 or 3 different carrier? 
 
http://www.ringpinion.com/ContentFrame.aspx?FilePath=Content%2fParts%2fCarriers%2f%2fCommon_Carrier_Breaks.inc - http://www.ringpinion.com/ContentFrame.aspx?FilePath=Content%2fParts%2fCarriers%2f%2fCommon_Carrier_Breaks.inc


Posted By: poormansMACHINE
Date Posted: Dec/19/2010 at 9:28pm
They only show 2 for the M20, and I'm not believing the 3.07 and up otherwise I wouldn't have been able to pull one from an AMX with a 4.10 and drop it in a Spirit with a 2.87.
If it were different, minor shimming wouldn't have brought it into spec for backlash.


Posted By: nda racer
Date Posted: Dec/19/2010 at 10:06pm
One of em is on the shelf, the other is in a box. If I can find the one in the box, I'll get pics of em side by side (2.87 and 3.54) and you all can be the judge.


Posted By: billd
Date Posted: Dec/19/2010 at 10:45pm
Originally posted by poormansMACHINE poormansMACHINE wrote:

They only show 2 for the M20, and I'm not believing the 3.07 and up otherwise I wouldn't have been able to pull one from an AMX with a 4.10 and drop it in a Spirit with a 2.87.
If it were different, minor shimming wouldn't have brought it into spec for backlash.
 
VERY true.
All one has to do is think of the size - diameter of the pinion, and the thickness of the ring gear to reach the pinion.  Being on the 20 the 2.87 and higher numbers (lower ratios) were most common, makes sense to make them pretty much interchangable, IMO. But I only play an engineer on my home computer............
with the 2.87 being standard for the auto/V8 combo, but a lot of folks wanting an optional ratio, it makes sense to make them interchange. My car is a good example. It's originally a C differential, twin grip. But the invoice bills the customer for an optional ratio (which it turns out is 3.15) and a whopping 10 bucks cost. They only had to drop the different gears into those who wanted the optional ratio.


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Posted By: mchaggis
Date Posted: Dec/19/2010 at 10:57pm
That's settled then!  2 carriers.
Thanks for your help.  I'll have to move the car for a good look at the cover but if I can't see the letter then it shouldn't matter all that much.


Posted By: jroemer
Date Posted: Feb/21/2011 at 6:34pm
Originally posted by billd billd wrote:

Simple - put the car in park, raise one wheel and try to turn it.
 
Okay I did this and the wheel turns. What does that mean ??


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Posted By: poormansMACHINE
Date Posted: Feb/21/2011 at 6:44pm
Originally posted by jroemer jroemer wrote:

Originally posted by billd billd wrote:

Simple - put the car in park, raise one wheel and try to turn it.
 
Okay I did this and the wheel turns.

Same direction or opposite?


Posted By: jroemer
Date Posted: Feb/21/2011 at 6:49pm
Originally posted by poormansMACHINE poormansMACHINE wrote:

Originally posted by jroemer jroemer wrote:

Originally posted by billd billd wrote:

Simple - put the car in park, raise one wheel and try to turn it.
 
Okay I did this and the wheel turns.

Same direction or opposite?
 
If I raise both wheels and turn one. The other wheel turns the opposite way.


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Posted By: poormansMACHINE
Date Posted: Feb/21/2011 at 7:20pm
Run of the mill open diff.


Posted By: kingsX
Date Posted: Apr/07/2011 at 5:51pm
Whats it mean if both wheels turn the same direction?



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Posted By: poormansMACHINE
Date Posted: Apr/07/2011 at 6:25pm
It could mean that you have one of the locking type differentials. Worst case it means that the pinion shaft is worn and the spider gears are wedged in position.
Pull the cover and dispel all doubt..


Posted By: phast1
Date Posted: Apr/07/2011 at 7:03pm
My 68 actually has a factory "11/39" stamp which means means it's a factory 3.54 ratio. Kinda cool i think because it was optioned up from the standard 3.15 Smile






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Posted By: poormansMACHINE
Date Posted: Apr/07/2011 at 7:46pm
Or it was swapped in.


Posted By: gunnarcove
Date Posted: Apr/08/2011 at 6:33am
phast1,
where is that stamp on your rearend? is that normal to be stamped on housing like that?
thanks,
 
don


Posted By: phast1
Date Posted: Apr/08/2011 at 5:59pm
Originally posted by gunnarcove gunnarcove wrote:

phast1,
where is that stamp on your rearend? is that normal to be stamped on housing like that?
thanks,
 
don


Hi Dan,

It was near the top right of the cover, found it when i was prepping to paint the cover. I don't know if this a normal stamp or not, maybe someone with more knowledge could shed some light on this.


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Posted By: tumbleweed
Date Posted: Apr/06/2013 at 9:10am
2000 RPM@ 50 mph.    anyone got an idea of the gear ratio


Posted By: Peter Marano
Date Posted: Apr/06/2013 at 9:45pm
3.15:1


Posted By: rusty71sst
Date Posted: Aug/19/2013 at 6:27pm
I have 2 rear ends for a javelin. one is a 73 rear with an "A" on the flat case and the other is a 71 rear with a "O" on the flat of the case. what ratio are these? I plan to use a mopar rearend or a ford 9 inch as these amc rear ends are really weak looking. Small axle tubes weak 2 part hubs and 40+ years is too much for me. Steve in Ga.

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Posted By: 74gremx
Date Posted: Aug/14/2014 at 6:33am
Another one slipped through the net!

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Posted By: tumbleweed
Date Posted: Aug/14/2014 at 7:29am
what is this?


Posted By: Kapptaink
Date Posted: Aug/14/2014 at 8:16am
We have a SPAMER

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Posted By: WesternRed
Date Posted: Aug/14/2014 at 11:11am
Mchaggis, the Aussie Javelin diff should be 2.87 ratio LSD, that's all we got here as far as I know. With changing the gears, you will be fine, what nobody has mentioned is that Jeep didn't run the 2.87 gears, so their cut-off ratio is higher, something like 3.08 or 3.15 not really sure on this but the guys selling the gears usually work with Jeeps rather than AMC cars so sometimes it can be a bit misleading as to what fits.
 
Maybe an option for you, I got some 3.54 gears out of a Jeep axle (CJ7 I think) to put in my Aussie 69 Javelin, installed without any issues but no good if you want 3.73s. 


Posted By: jpnjim
Date Posted: Aug/14/2014 at 11:14am

Edit;

rookie error,

I replied to what was on the first page without noticing the date, or the other 7 pages of replies

:facepalm: Smile


So its probably been answered 10 tires already and the thread has gone in a whole different direction by now



[The twin grip pics above are all of the earlier two piece, 4 pinion "Power Lok" type, used till around 1971.

Since his is later it would be a Trak-loc one piece 2 pinion type.

IIRC, the later 1piece LSD had a more boxed out appearance, more squared off than the standard, open carrier.


To the original poster,

if you coupe get a picture with the carrier rotated a bit, so you can see the open window, it would be easier to tell.]



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Posted By: jpnjim
Date Posted: Aug/14/2014 at 11:38am

OK, I read the whole thread, info is still good, but the original poster probably doesn't care anymore Smile


and I believe the case break for our M20's is

2.73 (a CJ ratio in the 1980's) and taller is one case

2.87 and deeper  is the other.





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Posted By: mchaggis
Date Posted: Aug/14/2014 at 3:00pm
Boy time flies!  My last post was almost 4 years ago!  Since then I've replaced my 2.87's with 3.73 gears.  I also replaced the axles with Moser ones and changed out the twin grip and installed a Truetrac.  I got lucky as at some stage in the distant past one of my axles had spun but was rusted on so well I never knew.
So I can confirm that the 2.87 carriers in the Javelins are the same and all the "good" gears will fit just fine.  And they're a whole lot more fun too!

Oh.  And I never did find any letters stamped anywhere on this particular rear end.


Posted By: rsrguy3
Date Posted: Jan/31/2020 at 12:06am
Why true track? Did you see any fuel economy change with the different gearing?

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Posted By: mchaggis
Date Posted: Jan/31/2020 at 3:10pm
I went with the truetrac because the side gears on the twin grip were fretted and I didn’t want to wreck the new Moser axles.  I researched for sometime and it became obvious the truetrac’s were well liked by anyone that installed one.  Going to 3.73’s sure woke things up somewhat but I also installed a TH2004R with a 3600 stall 9.5” lock-up converter at the same time.  Mileage went from about 16mpg to just over 26mpg on a 150 mile trip. These are mpg values in imperial so the 26 works out about 23 us mpg.  A huge improvement and the car is now a real pleasure to drive.  With a small tel:265%2050%2015" rel="nofollow - 265 50 15 tyre I’m doing about 2250rpm at 65mph so a 60 series tyre would improve things a lot.


Posted By: rsrguy3
Date Posted: Feb/02/2020 at 3:07pm
Holy cow that rocks do you have a part number? Am I to understand that it fit in the existing rear-end housing? Do you have installation pics? Pricy? As a kid I always wanted to put down two solid tire marks.... so maybe not the most logical rational for posi... My last question is, do I need it or do I want it? I love the thought of increasing fuel efficiency, beyond fuel efficiency and laying two black marks in a burnout.... are there other benefits I'm missing, does it handle better? 

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Posted By: mchaggis
Date Posted: Feb/02/2020 at 9:56pm
The only way I got better MPG was the OD Trans and Lock-up Converter.  Going from 2.87's to 3.73's will reduce your MPG and the weight of your wallet but will increase your acceleration and smile.  I wouldn't be in a hurry to change a 2.87 to a 3.73 without an OD trans.

I went with a recommendation from this forum and bought the Truetrac and Ring & Pinion from someone who's name escapes me right now.  I needed it shipped to New Zealand and he was great to deal with.  He supplied Yukon Gears and the install kit.  Maybe other members will chime in here????

Yes it all fits into the original housing.  Doubt I have pics now as I'm on a new phone.
TWO black marks are always better then one!  

Yukon part number looks to be YG M20-373  (24523)
Truetrac One part number I can find is M20-DET-TT.  

Hunt around as some of the early Jeeps ran M20's so most of the part are listed for them.


Posted By: rsrguy3
Date Posted: Feb/02/2020 at 10:18pm
And the handling in the turns? 

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Posted By: mchaggis
Date Posted: Feb/02/2020 at 11:07pm
Just the same as a normal diff. That’s the advantage over a locker. 
I think it was a member here that helped me?..  rouge_66 I think. 


Posted By: 1970390amx
Date Posted: Feb/02/2020 at 11:51pm
You need to google "true trac" its a style of torque limiting differential carrier that uses gears not clutches. They are often used in road race cars because of the handling. The carrier housing drives both axles not just one. but one axle can drive the other so it can go around corners. AMC diffs use a thrust block in the carrier so that a single tapered bearing can be used on each side. I believe there is no provision to use a thrust block in this type of carrier. You would also need to convert to a one piece axle.

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1970 390 4speed Bittersweet shadow mask AMX
1970 Amx missing most everything, or in a box


Posted By: rsrguy3
Date Posted: Feb/03/2020 at 12:20am
Sounds pretty cool.. just like 31 flavors lots of choices every one delicious but different.

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