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Topic: Harbor Fright 20 ton hyd press -- any good?
Posted By: tomj
Subject: Harbor Fright 20 ton hyd press -- any good?
Date Posted: Apr/09/2020 at 8:00pm
Seems suspiciously cheap compared to other inexpensive presses. I would like to be able to do axle hubs, but I doubt more than a couple times a year. Most other tasks would be fine with 10 ton.

Cost is a serious concern. I don't like buying junk tools, and dislike Harbor Fright in general, but I have a HF trailer and it's been fine. I am willing to work around limitations for infrequent-use tools.

Anyone use it? What are its limitations that make it so cheap? It's currently $189 vs $300+ for other cheap presses.


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1960 Rambler Super two-door wagon, OHV auto
1961 Roadster American, 195.6 OHV, T5
http://www.ramblerLore.com




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Posted By: Mopar_guy
Date Posted: Apr/09/2020 at 8:44pm
If you're looking at this one http://www.harborfreight.com/20-ton-shop-press-32879.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.harborfreight.com/20-ton-shop-press-32879.html I've had one for several years and it's been well worth it for a number of things including pressing bearings on and off. They use to have 2 versions of this with the other one being junk. It had a stamped frame instead of C channel but I don't see it listed anymore. I bought an OTC bearing splitter to use with it and it works great.
The one I need to get for mine is a better set of bed plates because the ones that come with it are cast and are known to explode. As you said, for something that's for occasional use it works well.

I bought one of their 4 X 6 band saws about 8 years ago for a railing project and I've used it way more than I thought I would but it's held up really well. I use good blades in it and it cuts nice and square. (after I took the time to set it up properly)


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Posted By: tufcj
Date Posted: Apr/09/2020 at 10:00pm
I've had one for nearly 15 years.  I've used it a lot.   I recently converted it to an air over hydraulic ram (about $100) and it works even better.

Bob
tufcj


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69 AMX
74 Javelin AMX
67 Rogue

If you need a tool and don't buy it...
you'll eventually pay for it...
and not have it.
Henry Ford


Posted By: 6PakBee
Date Posted: Apr/09/2020 at 10:11pm
Originally posted by tomj tomj wrote:

Anyone use it? What are its limitations that make it so cheap? It's currently $189 vs $300+ for other cheap presses.


My advice to you would be to go to Harbor Freight and look at it in person.  Look at the lateral support in both directions for the ram.  Grab the ram and think to yourself how stable it would be under load.  This is the only way in my opinion to see how it meets YOUR standards.


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Roger Gazur
1969 'B' Scheme SC/Rambler
1970 RWB 4-spd Machine
1970 Sonic Silver auto AMX

All project cars.

Forum Cockroach


Posted By: 1970390amx
Date Posted: Apr/09/2020 at 11:31pm
If your interested in removing hubs I would buy the tool designed to pull hubs and forget the press.

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1970 390 4speed Bittersweet shadow mask AMX
1970 Amx missing most everything, or in a box


Posted By: TheRambler
Date Posted: Apr/10/2020 at 9:09am
My son has one and I've used it, works great. Right now there is a coupon for $149.


Posted By: First_Gear
Date Posted: Apr/10/2020 at 11:13am
I've looked at the same tool. Its not the money for me but the space it takes up. Sure would be nice though. Wish I could have the space for that, an english wheel, sandblasting cabinet etc etc.. 


Posted By: tomj
Date Posted: Apr/10/2020 at 12:21pm
Mopar_guy yup that's the one. that you have one means something.

6pakbee, yeah, eyeballs know :-) I will check it out. and tufcj and others, i'm fine with, and expect to, have to cleanup and tune the setup. I have a lot of improvised metal blocks and bars, I'll probably buy one of those bearing splitters but I'm OK with having to "finish" the tool.

I'm lucky to have my own building. Nasty illegal thing came with the property, not on any plots, if the city ever looks... Its small, 2/3rds of it is clean office books electronics computer, about 150 sq ft inside shop, but I have a covered patio with a metal bench, floor jack, the world's noisiest cheapo compressor. The press would live out there.

I acquire tools slowly. No room and like most of us, money. Pick at it pick at it... thanks for the info I will ahve to drive out and look at it.

HF stuff is hit and miss, lots of misses, but some stuff seems decent like my now 10 yr old trailer (was "1200 lb" when I  got it, now it's called "1000 lb", lol, same trailer! 1200 seemed optimistic...). It's been to Burning Man twice or three times, hauled many 195.6's, has about 5000 miles on it. No complaints for $300!




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1960 Rambler Super two-door wagon, OHV auto
1961 Roadster American, 195.6 OHV, T5
http://www.ramblerLore.com



Posted By: CARnivore
Date Posted: Apr/10/2020 at 1:27pm
Yes I have that exact press and bought it 3 years ago specifically for axle bearings which it did very well and use it for pretty much everything now. I also have a a 20 year old HF arbor style press that has been abused quite a bit over the years and still works perfect. No complaints here on HF presses

Benchtop 10 Ton Hydraulic Shop Press - The Garage Journal Board


Posted By: Steve_P
Date Posted: Apr/10/2020 at 2:54pm
I have the 20T press and it's pretty good. Typical HF construction: not the best, but functional. The main drawback is that the bed depth (distance between channels) is too narrow to do FWD and 4WD hubs. IIRC the HF is only ~4". There are several in the $600-700 range, Arcan?, that are large enough with ~6" depth. Otherwise it's good, but plan on replacing jacks every few years if you mind them leaking.
I may eventually get the larger frame press, but with how little I use it, I just stack steel on top of it so it'll function for FWD/4WD hubs.


Posted By: wittsend
Date Posted: Apr/28/2020 at 10:45pm
My HF 20 ton press is 20+ years old. I bought it off my neighbor back in 2000 ($100) and I have no idea how long he had it. I'm not sure if they made them better back then or they are still the same today (maybe Taiwan rather than China?). The basic metal structure is good. But, every HF bottle jack I've had eventually leaks. I put a pie pan under the jack to contain the eventual leaking.

They are great to have and absolutely necessary at times. But in the past 15 years (after I had a primary need) I've used it three times. Once to slightly bend an exhaust for better fitment, once my neighbor pressed on a few bearings and more recently I pressed off a steel Corvair cylinder barrel that was for lack of a better description was "welded" with rat urine to the aluminum head.

 As someone else mentioned the spread is rather narrow. I had to clamp two metal plates under the press catching "nubs" on the cylinder barrel. To deal with the combustion chamber step I filled a baggy with dry Pourstone, trimmed the corners off a wooden 4x4 and with much trepidation (those nubs holding the cylinder are pretty small) liberated the cylinder and head.

So, there are "workarounds" but you need a lot of scrap "stuff" and a bit of ingenuity at times.


Posted By: CamJam
Date Posted: Apr/28/2020 at 11:19pm
I've been very tempted to buy that same press several times now.  Finding a place to put it in my tiny garage it is my problem. 

I do think in general HF stuff is getting better, or maybe just everyone else is selling cheap Chinese crap too so I'm getting used to it. I bought a tool cabinet there recently that is as nice as others selling for twice as much, and their Black Widow paint spray gun is a bargain at under $200. 

Generally though, they're my go to place for tools that you might use only once a year, so you don't want to tie up a lot of money in them, but when you need 'em, you need 'em.  My HF transmission jack is a perfect example, though I've found it to be very handy for removing gas tanks, etc. too.

Buyer beware is still the best strategy though.


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'73 Javelin 360 (current project)
'72 Baja Bronze Javelin SST
'69 Big Bad Orange AMX (2018 Teague Heritage Award) SOLD



Posted By: wittsend
Date Posted: Apr/29/2020 at 4:36pm
"... in general HF stuff is getting better, or maybe just everyone else is selling cheap Chinese crap too so I'm getting used to it."

I feel similar. I think manufacturers of decent tools compete in the high end where money is little or no object. Or..., they compete with Harbor Freight on the low end. Across the middle there probably isn't much quality difference for the money.  I tend to pick tools up at swap meets etc.. I'm finding that 70's-90's Taiwanese tools (True Craft, Crew Line) NOW seem rather decent. Honestly I can't tell a difference between them and my Craftsman.

And, yes, when you will use a tool once, maybe twice in a lifetime you get much better return on the investment with the HF version. I've had the good fortune of living within 10 miles of the Harbor Freight main warehouse (it has since, unfortunately, been moved to the Inland Empire). Parking Lot sales have provided 60 gallon 3HP compressors for $80, $100 Lathes, $50 drain cleaners to mention just a few items. So, I'm a bit bias that I REALLY have gotten a return for investment on my money at HF. Still some of the HF stuff is crap. And as you say, Buyer Beware.


Posted By: tomj
Date Posted: Apr/29/2020 at 9:42pm
I'm probably gonna go look at it, likely buy it. ANother tactic for this sort of tool is overkill. Get one bigger than claimed need, assuming that if it meets the alleged spec, its probably just barely. My "1200 lb" trailer is probably safe for 800 or 1000. Rather than a 10 ton press occasionally over-stressed which we know ain't good.

I dont' think limited stroke will hurt me. AMC rear axles is one limit size-wise, then a bunch of small things like de-dinging bumpers, lug studs, that sort of stuff, bending metal, is all short workign stroke. If the axle will clear the floor I'm fine there.

Then I get new things like dimpling holes, punching holes, etc. 



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1960 Rambler Super two-door wagon, OHV auto
1961 Roadster American, 195.6 OHV, T5
http://www.ramblerLore.com



Posted By: Mopar_guy
Date Posted: Apr/29/2020 at 9:51pm
I just used mine again on Sunday pressing new bearings on my mowers spindles. I even straightened a slightly bent blade too. Big smile

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" http://theamcforum.com/forum/hemilina_topic95889.html" rel="nofollow - Hemilina " My 1973, 5.7 Hemi swapped Javelin


Posted By: Japjack53
Date Posted: Jul/29/2020 at 10:09pm
I have one in my shop and it works just as good as any other press. 


Posted By: Hemirambler
Date Posted: Jul/29/2020 at 11:52pm
We had a POS press at work. One night I was there late pressing a steel hub into an aluminum housing.  I ended up FOLDING the pins!  The GAP between the columns and the bed was SO LARGE there was enough room to simply fold the pins!  I wasn't cranking real hard or anything - nothing really tippe dme off other than I had given it a few pumps where the sleeve did NOT appear to go any further into the aluminum. Seemed strange so I took a mental step back and then saw the folded over pins. The GAP BTW was HUGE.   Point of the story is simply that those pins are intended to be in SHEAR not BENDING. A Poorly manufactured press that ignores this fact isn't worth dragging home.  Most everything else is either longevity or ease of use and only YOU can determine what matters and if so how much it matters.   Good Luck.

Jacin


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1964 American Convertible (stock)
1964 American Hardtop (Not Stock)


Posted By: tomj
Date Posted: Jul/30/2020 at 12:04am
Originally posted by Hemirambler Hemirambler wrote:

...  Point of the story is simply that those pins are intended to be in SHEAR not BENDING.

I think I got it... You're absolutely right, "shear" means zero leverage, yeah, no (close) gap! Ill watch. Haven't bought the !@$#@#$ thing yet... but haven't forgotten either. The projects for it are still stacked up.



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1960 Rambler Super two-door wagon, OHV auto
1961 Roadster American, 195.6 OHV, T5
http://www.ramblerLore.com



Posted By: Steve_P
Date Posted: Jul/31/2020 at 11:26am
The problem with HF is that the people that run it don't know anything about tools, or at least using tools. For an extra $5 they could make this press 2" deeper and compete with the $600+ presses. And for an extra $1 they could make their hydraulic jacks last. With respect to the jacks, I'm sure they know this and it's planned obsolescence- the customer will buy a new one every 5-10 years when it leaks.

If you want a new 20T press and don't want to spend $600+ then the HF is the only choice.


Posted By: Mac VP
Date Posted: Aug/03/2020 at 6:21pm
I bought the 20 ton version from local HF store about 12-13 years ago. The jack lasted about a year and a half. I bought the same jack from them at the same time and it’s been working perfectly ever since. Don’t be tempted to buy the 10 ton press.....it’s nearly the same size and close to the same price. You might need the extra capacity once in awhile and curse your cheapness for not spending the little extra for double the pressing power. Over time you’ll accumulate an interesting collection of random bits of steel and aluminum blocks, short pieces of round stock, and old bearing races for pressing on parts. A 5 gallon plastic pail is the dedicated operator station. You’ll wonder how you ever did without one.



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