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The scales are without driver and zero fuel.  
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Originally posted by target target wrote:

I agree Wayne has made a lot of mechanical changes to suit his tastes and usage but I don't think it should go unsaid that underdog built it. Credit where credit is due.

And who is not giving underdog credit?  What has that got to do with this thread?
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Originally posted by Coloradoamx Coloradoamx wrote:


Originally posted by target target wrote:

I agree Wayne has made a lot of mechanical changes to suit his tastes and usage but I don't think it should go unsaid that underdog built it. Credit where credit is due.


And who is not giving underdog credit?  What has that got to do with this thread?


Maybe indirectly peeps can make assumption that underdog had nothing to do with the car. I had no clue until it was brought to attention.

Here I thought Coloradoamx was the only one with a well done repleca 71 TA Javelin, as threads like this assist in providing information along with being generous in sharing their car with others.
71 Javelin SST body
390 69 crank, 70 block & heads
NASCAR SB2 rods & pistons
78 Jeep TH400 w/ 2.76 Low
50/50 Ford-AMC Suspension
79 F150 rear & 8.8 axles
Ford Racing 3.25 gears & 9" /w Detroit locker
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Like any car that's used to do a job at a high level, it just evolves.
That jungle gym inside the car sure accounts for some weight.
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Wayne has always credited the original build to the builder. He keeps doing significant upgrades to what was a great car when he got it.

Thanks for the updates on what you're doing to the car Wayne.
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Originally posted by crazyamc crazyamc wrote:

The SCCA Trans Am rules were very specific on mods and such....  "most" people consider '70 the ultimate year, since 6 manufacturers were fully involved.   1970 was also a year of big change-   mainly the single four barrel rule, the 3200# (full of fuel- mandated 22 gallon cell, gas 6.33 pounds per gallon..  140#'s of gas)....     so a weight of 3050 empty would be a "perfect world", but difficult and expensive to get to legally...     Legally, at the time, 70-71, front and rear glass was real glass, (70 required roll up side windows also)  a working wiper motor, all brake calipers were cast iron except for the Hurst/Airhearts.....      early cars, (68-69 stuff) had a lot of acid-dipped factory stuff, as the rules for then was 2850# empty (or 3000# full of fuel)....      That increase in later years  of basically 200# was supposed to help defer costs to the independent racers with smaller budgets; it's EXPENSIVE to make a race car light!  The lucky racers were the few with ex-factory 68 and 69 cars which were "underweight".... they got to add it wherever they needed.....     Trans Am RULES!!    Ken

Ken...In reading the unfair advantage, the 71 car used Girling calipers; four piston on all four corners.  As far as I can tell, these are the ones used:

Will the vintage classes accept these?  I put Wilwoods on the car, but if I can get the correct Girling calipers, I'll make the jump.

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I don't have my unfair advantage with me, but if I remember correctly, Donohue talks about the Girlings, and that is the brand of booster stuff used... but I can't remember ever seeing any pic of a caliper on a Javelin, or anything else, that wasn't a common Ford, Chevy, whatever,  except for the aluminum Hurst/Airhearts, which debuted in '70...       I'm certain that it was the first year Matador that Donohue installed  the Porsche 917 Panzer calipers on, then trounced the competition in the first race at Riverside in '72..       I'm also pretty sure vintage clubs fall into 2 groups-   modern, aftermarket calipers are fine; or, the more strict "cast iron only" .....   are those things really 5K per wheel?!?!   Ken  
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This article will furnish some history on the 71 car's brakes.  It had a Girling remote in-line booster, which I have replicated and have working, but the article speaks to the rest of the system.  The calipers were also Girling, and the rotors were Lincoln-Mercury.  My understanding was that they put an AMC part number on them, but they were actually from a 917 Porsche.  By the way, The $5K is for all four calipers (what a deal!).  They also have a full system that includes the rotors too 
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My guess would be their rotors would be too big for a 15" wheel...    and the caliper on the yellow RWR car in the article looks to me like the big Ford Lincoln 4 piston- but I'm not positive...    Believe me, I'm rooting for you getting to build (and race it) with all the uber-cool bits!!!  but check with whoever you're gonna run with- it's crazy how some of this stuff is decided...     Billet hubs with lugs on the backside for rotors is fairly simple..       Keep after it!!   Ken
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I would think RMVR would be very receptive to this car....minus the Doug Nash/Richmond.

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