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amc401t10
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Posted: Feb/14/2016 at 8:05pm |
Its benn 15-20 years since I've painted a car.
I've had some training, back in late 70s, with Acrylic enamel. This is what I've decided to use,it's cheap 99.00 for a kit with gal paint,reducer, and hardener . Need advice from old school painters who used this. I've forgotten most I learned. Plan is to shoot jambs,under hood, 2-wet coats,let dry 6-7 days, Then close everything up, scuff all paint showing before painting car. Best I remember I used to put 2 wet coats on , then over reduce the third coat and turn up pressure a bit . This kept orange peel to a minimum. Hope to be spraying by mid march. Doing body work now. It will be a color change, I have water base primer for the last coat before color goes on. Am I forgetting anything, any tips. Is modern acrylic enamel the same as what I'm used to from years ago? It don't have to be perfect, just a nice driver. Thanks |
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rnscustom
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Been a while also and not a pro but was taught as a kid by one using the old dulux or Centauri enamels with gloss additives . we didn't thin the paint we would put the paint cup with paint in a can of water on a hot plate and wait till it expanded to the consistency we wanted . Then we would mist over every crack or place dust could come out of to lock it in or blow it out . We then washed the entire car enamel reducer and tack cloth it . We would walk around the car 3 times spraying it getting on a smooth coat but never trying to completely cover it until the last coat . If it was a metallic we would go a fourth time holding the gun a bit higher to eaven out the flakes
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tyrodtom
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You don't say if you're painting solid color or metallic.
On solids I like to paint all coats at the recommended reduction, a final coat with a thinned mixture just leaves you with a dry looking final finish. I put the first coat on medium wet, then the next two full wet. On metallics I do the first two coats the same, but on the third I may on may not thin the last coat, it depends on how the first two coats go on. Instead of thinning the last coat, I usually pull the gun a little back from the car and mist coat it, with a slower drying reducer in the final coat. That works for me, but every painter seems to develop their own technique. I don't think the modern acrylic enamels have the same quality, or best ingredients that they did 20-25 years ago. They don't seem to cover as well as they used to, nor hold out as well. Or maybe I've got too used to painting acrylic urethane. If I paint the inner parts separate, I tape off and cover the outside of the car. I roll the tape on the edges (back tape) so it doesn't leave a hard edge. Then when I paint the out side, I tape up the inner door jambs, again back taping on the edges, so it doesn't leave a visible line between the door jamb paint and the outer panel paint. I used the hot spray technique myself, you can spray without reducer at all. They even used to make heated sprayguns for hot spraying, I'm talking about 40 or more years ago. But it's dangerous as heck, you're spraying something that's already pretty flammable whens it's cold. Then you're heating it up ( 160 degrees) even closer to it's flash point and spraying it in the air. Can you spell boom. Edited by tyrodtom - Feb/14/2016 at 9:22pm |
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I'm a rank amateur but have been doing painting and body work on my own cars for the last five years or so. The only thing I can add is: get the technical data sheets for the products you are using and at least read them even if you do not want to do it exactly as stated on the sheets. If you are using an HVLP gun, I would not recommend varying the pressure away from that specified either by the gun manufacturer of the tech data sheets. Joe
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$99.99 for a kit. One gallon isn't going to be enough to do jams trunk and engine bay and outside of car. I just painted a 76 hornet and did the jams with lacquer and outside only with urethane. I light coated the first 3 coats then started poring on the last 3 coats for a total of 6 coats. Yes it had orange peel but i can cut and buff it till the cows come home.
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like one guy said here every one has there techniqe . your going to need a quart just for jams and such .my techniqe is mix in a bucket 1gal paint to 1gal reducer add hardner spray two wet coats then on last coat reduce a little more this get he paint to flow out but i also back off and go alittle faster on my spraying on matalic the last coat is the same reduce more back off go back and forth real fast to help get a even matalic finish .also use fisheye remover it might be called flow ez this helps eliminate fisheye and also helps paint flow out spend the little extra on the fisheye you wont be sorry
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Paint kit is gal cobalt red,non metallic,qt med reducer,pint hardener.
I have both types of guns. I use suction for primer and gravity for paint. Paint seller says 3 qt paint most cars, most reviews agree. I will look at data sheets that come with paint for instructions. I don't want to cut and buff. A little peel will be ok. Thanks Ps paint prices have gone through the roof! Around hear 2-grand for a quick paint job. This 79 spirit will be my daughters first car, she will probably scratch and ding it no mater what!!! |
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After at least reading the thread, you have some experience which is probably better than mine and others so I am with Pacerman 100% and 2 grand is cheap these days. The day of the Earl Scheib Paint Job @ $19.95 is long gone! (As it should be!)
I liked painting with lacquer as if you made a mistake it could be corrected fairly easily and the final "Look" was a function of color sanding and buffing. Single Stage Acrylic enamel I was told, painted as easy as Lacquer and it did and I was satisfied with the results. |
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Mr. Ed
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I painted my Fairlane last century with acrylic enamel. I used all of the components from the same manufacturer, ie, primer, hardener, color, etc. I primed on Saturday and colored on Sunday. I started with my HVLP gun but it clogged immediately so I tossed it in a can of thinner and grabbed the $19.95 gun from HOW (Home Owners Warehouse), turned the pressure down further and had at it. It came out fantastic! This was not metallic. And the nice thing was the color of the car was Corinthian white (or Wimbeldon white) never could remember it, and Rustoleum's canvas white enamel was an exact match. I did the jambs, under the hood, etc with that before I painted the car.
The biggest thing is getting the car clean and having a clean environment in which to spray the car. In my case, I cleaned and vacuumed the garage and then hung plastic sheeting from the ceiling so as not to get any over spray on the surrounding area and stuff. Just before I shot the car, I misted the floor with water to keep any dust on the floor. Good luck. Mr. Ed |
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I have a separate bay in my shop for painting, have a fan in the wall ,and incoming air going through
Furnace filters,kind of a home built spray booth. I still remember all the painfully prep work, to get a dust free job. Just unsure of these modern paints,and primers(I'm using waterborne primer instead of lacquer ). I hope when I spraying the underside of hood and jambs it all comes back to me, I used to do quiet well, Painted several cars that needed no cut and buff work. Their is a fine line between orange peel and running it off on the floor!!! Thanks for all input. Ps doing body work now,I hate bondo dust! Hope to get some pics in soon,can't figure out this iPhone yet,I'll get some help from my kids!!! |
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72 amc matador 401 727 84 j10 ,360, 727 1970 4-door rebel sleeper(455 pontiac,turbo 400) 79 spirit,4.2 |
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